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Satan 5 kids; Satans Kingdom, Vermont 114758 posts
14th Jun '11
Quoting Peace.Hope.Love:" The actual article published says this: Benefits of breastfeeding include lower risk of postneonatal ... [snip!] ... mortality. However, it is unclear whether breastfeeding specifically lowers sudden infant death... So, I'm confused.."


it means they die less. But not that they die less of actual SIDS...since they don't even know what causes SIDS.




AND the study doesn't say whether they factored in choking on propped bottles...dirty bottles...co-sleeping while being bottle fed as opposed to breastfed..etc.

user banned 2 kids; Minnesota 7318 posts
14th Jun '11
Quoting Peace.Hope.Love:" I breastfeed and formula feed my twins so I'm not up in arms..I'm just questioning how they came to that ... [snip!] ... lowers sudden infant death. I don't have a scientists mind..so to me that means, hey it MAY but we don't know...?"


Basically, with any statement regarding SIDS, it's all correlation and risk factors. Nobody can do a controlled experiment about SIDS because the exact cause seems to be unknown, but we do know risk factors.



For example, nobody knows what CAUSES cancer, but we do know that there are definite risk factors. If you live in a high pollution area, will you develop cancer? Probably not, but the risk is higher. We can't do a controlled study, because that would involve purposefully exposing humans to different levels of carcinogens on purpose, which is clearly unethical.



So they have to say "this doesn't prove cause and effect" as a disclaimer, because otherwise idiots will run around saying ZOMG if you feed your kid formula, they'll PROBABLY die of SIDS, when that's nowhere near the case. Regardless of any risk factor, you could smoke around your baby, formula feed, and put your kid to sleep in a pile of blankets and pillows in a 100 degree room and they'd PROBABLY still be okay, lol, but the risks are clearly higher.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23055 posts
14th Jun '11
Quoting Chim Richalds {EBFT}:" Basically, with any statement regarding SIDS, it's all correlation and risk factors. Nobody can do a ... [snip!] ... a pile of blankets and pillows in a 100 degree room and they'd PROBABLY still be okay, lol, but the risks are clearly higher."


hey! stop being so logical!

Peace.Hope.Love 18 kids; Intercourse, Pennsylvania 4558 posts
14th Jun '11
Quoting GrizzlyMamma:" hey! stop being so logical!"

I don't know if the "you're not confused" was rude or not (damn computer!) but I really had no idea..like I said, I do not understand science.

MiSs LaDy BuG 2 kids; Texas 3726 posts
14th Jun '11

idk... both of my children are FF and still alive and kicken but i know 2 good friends that have lots a baby to SIDS and they were breastfeed.i do believe that breastfeeding is the best choice... but i really do not believe into the whole breastfeed babies are healthier honestly both my kids are healthy and have never had any problems other than in the beginning due to the hep B shot they gave them with out asking me.. which mimics a sever infection in some newborns

Peace.Hope.Love 18 kids; Intercourse, Pennsylvania 4558 posts
14th Jun '11
Quoting Chim Richalds {EBFT}:" Basically, with any statement regarding SIDS, it's all correlation and risk factors. Nobody can do a ... [snip!] ... a pile of blankets and pillows in a 100 degree room and they'd PROBABLY still be okay, lol, but the risks are clearly higher."

Thank you, that makes sense.
I guess my brain is just not working today..

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23055 posts
14th Jun '11
Quoting Peace.Hope.Love:" I don't know if the "you're not confused" was rude or not (damn computer!) but I really had no idea..like I said, I do not understand science."

i wasnt being sarcastic or rude. you were just looking for an answer that wasnt there. unfortunately, some people jump to conclusions like - feeding formula may cause y baby to die of SIDS.

Peace.Hope.Love 18 kids; Intercourse, Pennsylvania 4558 posts
14th Jun '11
Quoting GrizzlyMamma:" i wasnt being sarcastic or rude. you were just looking for an answer that wasnt there. unfortunately, some people jump to conclusions like - feeding formula may cause y baby to die of SIDS."

Yeah, I was like does it or doesn't it? I don't even freakin know what cause and effect means. lol. Hey, I can't be smart in everything! LOL

_______Nope_________ 23772 posts
14th Jun '11

I think people take these things too personal, as if it's an attack. Saying formula feeding increases the RISK of SIDS clearly doesn't say that formula fed babies WILL die of SIDS, nor does it say that breastfed babies are immune. ANd just because you didn't or couldn't BF doesn't change a study.



Preemies also have an increased chance of SIDS. I have a preemie. It's unfortunate, but I'm not going to say it's not true because it makes me feel bad, r because mine didn't die of SIDS. It's all just a number game, and the % of preemies who die of SIDS is higher then the % of term babies who die of it. Same idea with FF vs BF. The % of FF babies who die it higher then then % of BF babies who do.



It's not cause and effect and it isn't a guarantee either way, simply a trend that suggests risk factors.

Nikita Rowsell 3 kids; 1 angel baby; Edmonton, Alberta 1239 posts
14th Jun '11
Quoting Tracy Ann:" You used the word "normal" which is a very subjective term. I have huge milk production problems, so normal for me included LC visits,supplementing and formula. Not everyone's situation is the same."


But, your case was not normal. If we, as a species could not normally breastfeed, we would die out.

Peace.Hope.Love 18 kids; Intercourse, Pennsylvania 4558 posts
14th Jun '11
Quoting Teagans_Mom:" I think people take these things too personal, as if it's an attack. Saying formula feeding increases ... [snip!] ... of BF babies who do. It's not cause and effect and it isn't a guarantee either way, simply a trend that suggests risk factors."

Yeah, my girls were preemies too. People do definitely take things personally, but I guess most of the people who get offended are the ones who really tried to breastfeed and couldn't, so they feel every one or every thing is an attack. I mixed feedings, but sometimes still find myself offended at what the "breastfeeding nazi's" post. But this isn't the case for this article, I was just questioning what all of it meant.
Hopefully some day they can make breast milk easily available to people who struggle..I mean, that shit is expensive! LOL.

user banned 1 child; , 52185 posts
14th Jun '11
Quoting Peace.Hope.Love:" Yeah, my girls were preemies too. People do definitely take things personally, but I guess most of the ... [snip!] ... Hopefully some day they can make breast milk easily available to people who struggle..I mean, that shit is expensive! LOL."


I am def. not a nazi. I mean, I had so much trouble with breast feeding.. she had to have formula until my milk came in. I had shitty LCs.. PPD ... I can totally understand why someone would not want to breast feed. And some women feel very strongly about not doing it for whatever reason, and I'm totally fine with it.

_______Nope_________ 23772 posts
14th Jun '11
Quoting Peace.Hope.Love:" Yeah, my girls were preemies too. People do definitely take things personally, but I guess most of the ... [snip!] ... Hopefully some day they can make breast milk easily available to people who struggle..I mean, that shit is expensive! LOL."


Oh, I know, that wasn't directed at you. You did better then I did with my preemie, she was n full formula by 4 months old, and FF the whole time after that. So I completely understand the idea that things are just statistics. In 17 months she's never actually been sick (obviously other then when in the NICU, lol). She's never had a cold, nothing, despite having lung problems, a heart condition, and immune system problems. So yeah, FF babies can be totally healthy! Doesn't change that statistically however, BF babies get sick less.



I guess people have a hard time understanding odd's and risks, and that they do not mean something will happen.

Tracy Ann 3 kids; Michigan 20794 posts
14th Jun '11
Quoting Nikita Rowsell:" But, your case was not normal. If we, as a species could not normally breastfeed, we would die out."


Not true-thanks to formula. Science & technology have altered the outcomes for the human race.

MiSs LaDy BuG 2 kids; Texas 3726 posts
14th Jun '11

BF sucked for me i just could not produce enough and i dried up completely after 2 weeks with both even after pumping, talking to WIC and LCs...just did not work...but its like i tell the breastfeeding nazi's karma is a BIG B