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Car seat chest clip Jess✿ 3 kids; Australia 4334 posts
19th Oct '11

I live in Australia & chest clips are not attached to our car seats over here.
After my son started getting his arms out of his straps I bought two chest clips from eBay for my two sons so this might stop as its very dangerous for him to be doing this & it was getting tiresome pulling over every time he got his arms out of his straps. I just fitted them & was googling how they should be positioned safely & I came across this article



http://5pointplus.com/no-wonder-chest-clips-on-car-seats-are-illegal/



Thoughts? I'm worried I've done the wrong thing now :( maybe some car seat Nazis can help me out here.



TIA

★ Irishewwie 1 child; Tokeland, Washington 67058 posts
19th Oct '11

I'm not very good on the laws in Australia, but I was under the assumption that you guys couldn't use chest clips? I thought it was the same there as here, that aftermarket products aren't safe. I might be wrong though.

☮LoveAndSerenity 1 child; Kenosha, Wisconsin 52409 posts
19th Oct '11

I've never seen a child get a callus because of one, they're made to break in a car accident but I've never seen one break otherwise, and if they're properly used then they're not going to hurt your child's internal organs or windpipe.



That being said, I don't know that you can use them there because it's an aftermarket item

lise ♡ 1 child; 1 angel baby; Cold, Ol, Canada 67233 posts
status 19th Oct '11

If you're going to use them, you should order right from company which made the car seat.

OzMum2Ben 49 kids; Melbourne, Australia 2427 posts
19th Oct '11
Quoting Jess✿:" I live in Australia & chest clips are not attached to our car seats over here. After my son started getting ... [snip!] ... Thoughts? I'm worried I've done the wrong thing now :( maybe some car seat Nazis can help me out here. TIA"

I'm in Australia too and having the same problem with my 2.5 y.o. son. He keeps slipping his arms out. Really wish that the Australian car seats came with the chest clips. I might investigate and see if any brands here have them and change carseats as it's really worrying me that he can "escape".

ME+DH=2DS&1dueNov 35 kids; Sheboygan, Wisconsin 654 posts
19th Oct '11

i think that if i were to not use a clip i would defiantly want that, but im in america and we have to use the clip

Jess✿ 3 kids; Australia 4334 posts
19th Oct '11

Thanks for your replies I think I'm going to remove them. Another Aussie mum on here uses one for her child & I thought it would be a good solution for my issue. Ive found these which are allowed on Australian seats



http://www.infa-secure.com.au/product_range/Restraint-Accessories/4/Securap



So maybe I should grab some of these. Thank god I googled or I wouldn't have known & I would have felt awful :( I still do.

Andie. 3 kids; Oregon 7883 posts
19th Oct '11

As far as I know the reason there are no chest clips because the regulations for seats there require the child be able to be removed from the seat with 1 movement. Technically the clips you bought are aftermarket products, which are not safe to use. There are really no standards to test to, so they could throw it at the wall and say it's tested. Your seats are still a 5pt harness because it's the 2 shoulders, 2 hips and crotch that are the points.



The reason for the chest clip in American/Canadian seats is that it keeps the harness on the shoulders. In a crash, it will move down or break apart. It doesn't actually hold the child in the seat, and that's why it's so important to have the harness tight enough.



I would take this article with a grain of salt, because they are trying to sell you their product. One example, I've never heard of a child getting a callus from their chest clip, and they don't even give you a reference to look it up. Your best bet for a definitive answer on this is to find a certified installer in your area. They will know the laws/regulations best.

Jess✿ 3 kids; Australia 4334 posts
19th Oct '11

<blockquote><b>Quoting Andie.:</b>" As far as I know the reason there are no chest clips because the regulations for seats there require ... [snip!] ... bet for a definitive answer on this is to find a certified installer in your area. They will know the laws/regulations best."</blockquote>




Thanks for your reply. This sucks, my SO & I were so happy because we thought we had finally found our solution to our son escaping his car seat straps.
We've got a 2-3 hour car trip coming up & there's not always somewhere to pull over safely on the trip there.
Crap crap crap. I'm nervous about using any products on their seats now. The Securap is approved for use with car seats over here but I googled it & found many children were able to undo it :(
Guess we're just going to have to start being more strict about him getting out of his straps. I don't know how though, we've tried telling him no, we've told him what could happen if we have an accident & he isn't safe, we've tried spanking him, taking his toy off him that he has in the car with him, praising his brother from staying in his straps but none of it works or if it does, it's only for a day then he's back out of his straps again.
I'm all out of ideas.

Andie. 3 kids; Oregon 7883 posts
19th Oct '11
Quoting Jess✿:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Andie.:</b>" As far as I know the reason there are no chest ... [snip!] ... straps but none of it works or if it does, it's only for a day then he's back out of his straps again. I'm all out of ideas."

How old is he? What about a couple for the car only toys that would keep his hands busy for the ride?

Jess✿ 3 kids; Australia 4334 posts
19th Oct '11

<blockquote><b>Quoting Andie.:</b>" How old is he? What about a couple for the car only toys that would keep his hands busy for the ride? "</blockquote>




He's 3 in December. We've tried the toys but he puts them on his lap, gets out of his straps then plays with the toy. So we tried taking it from him then if his arms would stay in his straps for 2 mins (effectively the same rule as time out 1 min/year old) we'd return the toy back to him then the cycle repeats. I'm at my wits end. A person I know's daughter died because of this & I don't want to be worried he's not safe enough. SO suggested a seat belt only booster but there's no way I'm doing that, he's way too small.

Andie. 3 kids; Oregon 7883 posts
19th Oct '11
Quoting Jess✿:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Andie.:</b>" How old is he? What about a couple for the car ... [snip!] ... be worried he's not safe enough. SO suggested a seat belt only booster but there's no way I'm doing that, he's way too small."

Is he pretty verbal? Can you ask him why he does that?



Yeah, the booster would just give him lots more freedom of movement, and if he's not sitting in it correctly 100% of the time, it won't protect him like it should. I'm going to do some research and try and get some different ideas.

Jess✿ 3 kids; Australia 4334 posts
19th Oct '11

<blockquote><b>Quoting Andie.:</b>" Is he pretty verbal? Can you ask him why he does that? Yeah, the booster would just give him lots more ... [snip!] ... 100% of the time, it won't protect him like it should. I'm going to do some research and try and get some different ideas."</blockquote>




No, he's only recently started saying more than basic words. I think it's because he doesn't like being restrained. He never liked being wrapped as a baby, in winter he has a hard time wearing long sleeved shirts & sweaters & if you hug him too much longer than he wants to be held he screams "Let me go" & panics.
I've been the same since I can remember, it's like a mild form of Claustrophobia for me. Maybe that's his problem?
I remember one day last week he kept his arms in his straps the whole 4 hours we were out & about & I praised him & gave him a chocolate because he did so well! Then the next day he kept taking his arms out of the straps & I'd tell him "That's not how we sit in our seat Ayden." & he pointed at me & screamed "NO!" then kicked & screamed while I tried to fix his straps.
I'm at a loss, if you can find anything that would help I'd probably send you all the money in my bank account lol.

Mummy-2-2-Monsters Due July 11; 2 kids; Seven Hills, Australia 10162 posts
status 19th Oct '11
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Mummy-2-2-Monsters Due July 11; 2 kids; Seven Hills, Australia 10162 posts
status 19th Oct '11
Quoting Jess✿:" I live in Australia & chest clips are not attached to our car seats over here. After my son started getting ... [snip!] ... Thoughts? I'm worried I've done the wrong thing now :( maybe some car seat Nazis can help me out here. TIA"


The only reason carseat chest clips are not allowed over here, is that in the event of an emergency the parent or emergency personel need to be able to release the kids in one swift quick motion, a one push system.