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Thorian's Mommy 1 child; Westbrook, ME, United States 8411 posts
14th Jun '12

<blockquote><b>Quoting myr-a-myr:</b>" I was actually recently told the exact opposite from my daughter's pediatrician. She just recently (a ... [snip!] ... bounces back from illness the fastest and the least likely to catch something the minute someone has the sniffles around us. "</blockquote>




This is what I was told too. We are going to delay vaccination with my son but mist likely not do most of them like the MMR vac and chicken pox vaccine. I believe the MMR might trigger autism but it doesn't cause it. I also won't be doing the flu and h1n1 vaccine. I'm not sure on the others. If my son hasn't had chicken pox by the time he is a teenager than most likely I will have him get it, same with if he went to other countries that are more prone to MMR and we decide to go there.

furrbabiesmommy 18 kids; California 16570 posts
15th Jun '12

We gave the MMR shot and the chicken pox shot. my daughter has been a freakin PILL ever since. And now has little bumps on her leg. It's been a week today. I wish I would have delayed. but what's done is done. I'm not sure what one is causing the rash. I took her in yesterday and they said it doens't look like a rash from either one.
I know a 2 kids with autism, they have not had a shot in their life. So I don't buy into the whole shots and autism thing. one is 7 and the other child is 15. Not related to each other.

Kristennnnnnnnn 2 kids; Dallas, Texas 1214 posts
17th Jun '12
Quoting myr-a-myr:" I was actually recently told the exact opposite from my daughter's pediatrician. She just recently (a ... [snip!] ... bounces back from illness the fastest and the least likely to catch something the minute someone has the sniffles around us. "


Regular measles can be dangerous, not so much when you are younger. The older you are the more dangerous. Rubella can be very deadly though if not treated early.

Kristennnnnnnnn 2 kids; Dallas, Texas 1214 posts
17th Jun '12
Quoting Stewie:" I hate when people say this. So insensitive."


How was that insensitive? I don't want my kids to have to get sick, or worry about catching MMorR when they could be pregnant. If I came into contact with it, I would catch it. That is kind of scary knowing that if I would catch it right now my baby could end up with a lot of different birth defects. MMand R is back in our community because of the big scare over the vaccine.

myr-a-myr 3 kids; Quebec 2280 posts
17th Jun '12
Quoting Kristennnnnnnnn:" Regular measles can be dangerous, not so much when you are younger. The older you are the more dangerous. Rubella can be very deadly though if not treated early."


Rubella is also called German Measles. It's a milder case of measles although not from the same virus as measles. The symptoms are comparable to a bad cold, with an itchy rash that can last a week. It can be dangerous for pregnant women if they are in contact with someone infected. Like being in the presence of a child with 5th disease. The danger is for the fetus though not the mother.

Kristennnnnnnnn 2 kids; Dallas, Texas 1214 posts
17th Jun '12
Quoting myr-a-myr:" Rubella is also called German Measles. It's a milder case of measles although not from the same virus ... [snip!] ... someone infected. Like being in the presence of a child with 5th disease. The danger is for the fetus though not the mother. "

I know Rubella is the GErman measles. It is more dangerous in young kids than older people. From: MAYO CLINIC- Measles is a childhood infection caused by a virus. Once quite common, measles can now be prevented with a vaccine. Signs and symptoms of measles include cough, runny nose, inflamed eyes, sore throat, fever and a red, blotchy skin rash.
Also called rubeola, measles can be serious and even fatal for small children. While death rates have been falling worldwide as more children receive the measles vaccine, the disease still kills several hundred thousand people a year, most under the age of 5.
By 2000, the measles vaccine had practically eliminated measles in the United States. But there has been a recent resurgence of the disease, as more people have chosen not to vaccinate their children.

myr-a-myr 3 kids; Quebec 2280 posts
17th Jun '12
Quoting myr-a-myr:" Rubella is also called German Measles. It's a milder case of measles although not from the same virus ... [snip!] ... someone infected. Like being in the presence of a child with 5th disease. The danger is for the fetus though not the mother. "


Also that risk of the mother contracting it during pregnancy is low. If it happens it is dangerous and even deadly, but rare. I was in contact with both during pregnancy. Called my OB freaking out. I got tested but he told me to calm down. That in his 38 years as an OB he does those tests numerous times a month to many scared mothers to be. He only had 1 case where it was in fact contracted by the fetus.



The best prevention anyone can have against viruses is to wash your hands, have a healthy hygiene/diet and not live in a plastic bubble so that your body can come in contact with germs and viruses and build it's natural immune system.



I'm not against vaccination by all means. Yes some viruses are very dangerous but I very much find that the panic and fear of contracting many of the said to be "deadly" viruses prevented by the vaccines are blown out of proportion. The vaccines are given WAY to early and some in my opinion are not even necessary. I mean Hepatitis B for a newborn? Chicken pox?



Just my opinion though.

myr-a-myr 3 kids; Quebec 2280 posts
17th Jun '12
Quoting Kristennnnnnnnn:" I know Rubella is the GErman measles. It is more dangerous in young kids than older people. From: ... [snip!] ... States. But there has been a recent resurgence of the disease, as more people have chosen not to vaccinate their children."


From kid's health.org



Rubella

Kristennnnnnnnn 2 kids; Dallas, Texas 1214 posts
17th Jun '12
Quoting myr-a-myr:" From kid's health.org Rubella
myr-a-myr 3 kids; Quebec 2280 posts
17th Jun '12
Quoting Kristennnnnnnnn:" I agree that it is GENERALLY mild, but I was stating that it CAN be dangerous. I have daughters anyways ... [snip!] ... mean that it NEVER is dangerous. It CAN be life-threatening. I wasn't posting it for argument sake or anything like that. "


I wasn't posting back to argue lol. I thought we were having a discussion about our different points of view. I didn't mean to make it seem as though I'm bombarding you lol.



I guess my approach is that EVERYTHING CAN be life threatening. Eating a snack can make you choke to death. Scrapping your knee and sitting in grass can give you flesh eating disease. Some kids have died from a cold, playing baseball, eating spinach infected with e-coli. The list is endless.



Yes vaccination is good, I just find it is given way to early, too much at the same time for a small baby who is very likely the least to be at risk of contracting the viruses compared to older children and adults and some of those shots are not required. Vaccination is a big business making lots and lots of money. The research for vaccinations absolutely need to be more efficient and more detailed. The research is too generalized and rushed in my opinion.

Kristennnnnnnnn 2 kids; Dallas, Texas 1214 posts
18th Jun '12
Quoting myr-a-myr:" I wasn't posting back to argue lol. I thought we were having a discussion about our different points ... [snip!] ... vaccinations absolutely need to be more efficient and more detailed. The research is too generalized and rushed in my opinion. "


It's alright. I didn't really think you were arguing, but usually every time I discuss anything with someone on here someone else comes in the middle and tries to turn it into drama. That's really the only reason I said it wasn't for argument sake. I agree with you really, I do. It was just earlier in the forum I was called insensitive because I said I didn't want my children to ever die from something that was easily preventable. I know it's not common, I just wanted them to realize it's possible. I know you get it too. You were more informed than some people who post on theses silly things. :)

myr-a-myr 3 kids; Quebec 2280 posts
18th Jun '12
Quoting Kristennnnnnnnn:" It's alright. I didn't really think you were arguing, but usually every time I discuss anything with ... [snip!] ... to realize it's possible. I know you get it too. You were more informed than some people who post on theses silly things. :)"


I think the insensitive part was referring to rather have children with autism then dead children. Not just not want dead children. It could be read like some of those mom's who have children that are on the spectrum had a choice and decided to have an autistic child. I'm sure you didn't mean it like that. I know that when I read it the first time I cringed a little. It really hit home since my 5 yrs old is on the spectrum. She is wonderful, I love her to death and as much as my other 2 kids, no questions there.



Having a kid with autism is one heck of a journey though. Hitting huge highs and lows that switch hour to hour. There is no neutral when it comes to this. It is exhausting, frustrating, makes you feel at times unloved, hopeless, your maternal instinct can feel as though they are absolute crap. You work sooooo hard to bond with your child. One minute it's all good something amazing happened, you feel like you won the freaking lottery because your child brushed her teeth without shampooing her hair with the toothpaste or gave a light squeeze to your leg as a hug. Then in one second all bad and so stressful because the red sweater she HAS to wear with her hello kitty pants (even though it's hot as hell outside) is dirty and she decided her day was with her wearing her hello kitty friggen pants. Result? Full blown meltdown included with self harm, you getting bitten, slapped, spit on, kicked. This high pitched scream drilling inside your brain and seriously eroding your patience and self control that will last for an hour. You can't step out though and you can most certainly not lose control. Because the minute you let her go she goes back to scratching her face off and hitting her head with the toy truck in her room. Then will most likely find whatever non comestible sticky substance she can get her hands on (including her own feces) and literally cover every single inch of herself in it then ingest it. So you would rather take the biting and kicking in the face then have her hurt herself.



That was my morning by the way. From around 8 am to 10:30 am.



I know you didn't try to be insensitive. Our discussion was great! I'm just explaining this to kind of explain why saying things like I would rather have a child with autism can really rub a mom the wrong way lol. I certainly know I would not wish this on my worst enemy. I have to admit that I have learned so much from this though. It is hard but the blessings and self discovery/growth that comes with an autistic child are endless. :)

Kristennnnnnnnn 2 kids; Dallas, Texas 1214 posts
21st Jun '12
Quoting myr-a-myr:" I think the insensitive part was referring to rather have children with autism then dead children. Not ... [snip!] ... much from this though. It is hard but the blessings and self discovery/growth that comes with an autistic child are endless. :)"

No, I didn't mean it offensively. I did mean it though. I know it has to be hard. I spent my summers as a teenager working with adults who had Down Syndrome/other mental disabilities. We showered/bathed them, dressed them, fed them the whole 9 yards. I was a CAmp Counselor for them and I spent 24/7 with them through my summers. It was definetely draining, but very rewarding. I know it's not the same as a lifetime with it, but in a small way I get it. I wasn't wishing autism on anyone, just saying if I have to take I will if means the health of my child. I am very sensitive to this I guess. One of my grandfathers had polio as a child and his legs looked like they had been broken 10 different ways even with braces on. He could walk, but was in sooooo much pain. It looked awful just to look at him. I just think of all of these diseases that could come back into our every day lives because of the populations fears of vaccinations. My Grandma used to always carry around a picture of a liitle boy she babysat years ago. She spent tons of time with him, but he died as a 2 year old from polio. It stil upsets her to talk about it today. My Mom's bff was left infertile because of Measles. IDK. It's just all a lot to take in when you think about not vaccinating. A woman told me one day that it wasn't important because those diseases aren't around any more. I couldn't get her to understand that the only reason they aren't is because of the vaccinations. She wasn't afraid of them, she just viewed them as useless. BTW. I do feel for you and your children. I know it must be hard. My kids are ADHD and that can be very trying in itself. Plus my daughter wouldn't talk until she was almost 3. She didn't have any issues other than she was hyper and just really wouldn't take the time to try. We took her in and they evaluated her, worked with her, and that is pretty much what we were told. So I KNOW your life has to be frustrating, because mines is and you are dealing with way more that I am. I wasn't trying to discount Autism though don't get me wrong.

Stewie Due August 1; 3 kids; Detroit, MI, United States 4479 posts
21st Jun '12
Quoting Kristennnnnnnnn:" How was that insensitive? I don't want my kids to have to get sick, or worry about catching MMorR when ... [snip!] ... end up with a lot of different birth defects. MMand R is back in our community because of the big scare over the vaccine. "


It was pretty insensitive towards moms that have children on the spectrum. And I'm with you, I don't want my children to get sick either, which is why I keep their immune systems intact. :)
*Scratch that, I don't want my children getting sick with something irreversible, which vaccines can cause. My children have strong immune systems because of chiropractic care, a healthy vit D level, and a well balanced diet of (mostly)fresh fruits and vegetables. They are able to handle sickness.

Stewie Due August 1; 3 kids; Detroit, MI, United States 4479 posts
21st Jun '12
Quoting Kristennnnnnnnn:" It's alright. I didn't really think you were arguing, but usually every time I discuss anything with ... [snip!] ... to realize it's possible. I know you get it too. You were more informed than some people who post on theses silly things. :)"


It's also possible to die and have serious life threatening side effects from vaccines.

Check out VAERS.