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existentialism 2 kids; Texas 16990 posts
28th Feb '13
Quoting I♥AnnaBanana:" <blockquote><b>Quoting awesomebrandi:</b>" I HATE the term 'reasonable'. It implies ... [snip!] ... enough that my time is worth it. Take it or leave it. Did someone say that to you? You've been hit back to back the past day."

Not to me regarding my prices, a friend asked me on behalf of a friend if the package she was getting was 'reasonable'.. Just makes me shake my head. I'm the same.. it's no skin off my nose if people think I'm too expensive. I still feel like I made next to nothing last year for how hard I worked and I wouldn't consider myself cheap.

Ellie. 34 kids; Arizona 25368 posts
28th Feb '13
Quoting awesomebrandi:" It's fine to be affordable (to a certain point.. lol, affordable, not given away) but I still wouldn't ... [snip!] ... market that way. People will ask, so have those prices, but I still say you should market on your brand and not on price."


I feel guilty charging period. I feel like when I raise the price to what DH thinks it should be, people say thanks but no thanks. :( I feel like I dont have a choice except to charge like 50 a shoot, which I hate, because I lose money. *sigh*

☮live Due January 23; 2 kids; Nampa, Idaho 14721 posts
28th Feb '13
Quoting awesomebrandi:" I HATE the term 'reasonable'. It implies anybody who wants to make a living is being unreasonable. I ... [snip!] ... be starving artists, literally! I'm just in a mood. I feel like running a business has just burned me out in the worst way."


I hate that too, no one in their right mind would expect anyone but a photographer to work for pennies it seems!

☮live Due January 23; 2 kids; Nampa, Idaho 14721 posts
28th Feb '13
Quoting I♥AnnaBanana:" <blockquote><b>Quoting awesomebrandi:</b>" I HATE the term 'reasonable'. It implies ... [snip!] ... enough that my time is worth it. Take it or leave it. Did someone say that to you? You've been hit back to back the past day."


You mean you don't just click a button and you're done?! ;) I'm still fearful of charging but it's too much work to give away.

existentialism 2 kids; Texas 16990 posts
28th Feb '13
Quoting Man. Bear. Pig.:" I feel guilty charging period. I feel like when I raise the price to what DH thinks it should be, people ... [snip!] ... but no thanks. :( I feel like I dont have a choice except to charge like 50 a shoot, which I hate, because I lose money. *sigh*"

This is my advice (if you want it or not) and really my advice to anybody. You create an ideal price list. Not the END price list, because obviously you'll grow.. but say, you'd like to be charging at least $125 or $150 per session. So you make your price list and then you say 'currently running specials for THESE TYPE OF SESSIONS - Get ??% off'. Then, also do the same for products after the fact. If you know people want the disk, say, well, my normal price is $350 (or whatever, I'm starting low for more of a beginner) but right now it's being offered at $250.



However you choose to work on building your skills and portfolio (and I've seen people 25x worse than you charge money, trust me skills do not always equal business), you want to stress it's LIMITED. Limited items always make themselves more desirable. If you saw a fancy handbag on sale for half price, you would have a stronger urge to buy it, versus if you saw a handbag that was always a lower price.

existentialism 2 kids; Texas 16990 posts
28th Feb '13
Quoting ☮live:" I hate that too, no one in their right mind would expect anyone but a photographer to work for pennies it seems!"


I think it's anybody who's in an arts driven field. Graphic designers, writers, etc. It's hard to sometimes understand the value of an abstract idea that hasn't occurred yet. You're really pricing out time and talent more than anything.

Ellie. 34 kids; Arizona 25368 posts
28th Feb '13
Quoting awesomebrandi:" This is my advice (if you want it or not) and really my advice to anybody. You create an ideal price ... [snip!] ... on sale for half price, you would have a stronger urge to buy it, versus if you saw a handbag that was always a lower price."


That is a great point.. seriously. Thank you. I'm going to redo my whole way of thinking and working on this

existentialism 2 kids; Texas 16990 posts
28th Feb '13
Quoting Man. Bear. Pig.:" That is a great point.. seriously. Thank you. I'm going to redo my whole way of thinking and working on this"

Good! :)

Ellie. 34 kids; Arizona 25368 posts
28th Feb '13
Quoting awesomebrandi:" Good! :)"

My whole thing is just the prints. I've always pushed ordering off smug mug where they can proof and buy, but no one ever used it. ANd I always felt like the quality wasn't good enough, and that I owed them. I'm going to really work on that

existentialism 2 kids; Texas 16990 posts
28th Feb '13
Quoting Man. Bear. Pig.:" My whole thing is just the prints. I've always pushed ordering off smug mug where they can proof and ... [snip!] ... one ever used it. ANd I always felt like the quality wasn't good enough, and that I owed them. I'm going to really work on that"

Firstly, I think you need to work on letting go of fear and guilt. It's fine to recognize areas you want to improve in - I think EVERYBODY should always do that. I try and do that for myself all the time.. But you also have to be fair to yourself and recognize your strengths as well. So, you see that something you change and you take a step toward changing it. You can't beat yourself up over something fairly insignificant like that. We're always on a journey and learning what's out there, as far as options go.



There are other galleries that offer prints from pro labs, like zenfolio. I can't remember who all they print through, but I know Miller's is one.. they may have others as well. I personally always self fulfill BUT it can be time consuming. However, you can always do the drop ship option. Either work the shipping price into your print prices or charge it through to the client. You just have to weigh out the options.

☮live Due January 23; 2 kids; Nampa, Idaho 14721 posts
28th Feb '13
Quoting awesomebrandi:" I think it's anybody who's in an arts driven field. Graphic designers, writers, etc. It's hard to sometimes ... [snip!] ... the value of an abstract idea that hasn't occurred yet. You're really pricing out time and talent more than anything."


That is very true, I didn't even think about the other artists out there. They may even have a harder time, since their work can be so drastically different from client to client, customizing logos or writing new stories, while we aim to produce a consistent end result.

existentialism 2 kids; Texas 16990 posts
28th Feb '13
Quoting ☮live:" That is very true, I didn't even think about the other artists out there. They may even have a harder ... [snip!] ... different from client to client, customizing logos or writing new stories, while we aim to produce a consistent end result."

Well, to a point. Most graphic designers have a certain style and I'd say there are various niches in writing. Some people write dry business copy and some people write in a creative sense. But, yes, I think with photography we are even more limited (generally) in what we aim to produce. But, either way.. it's hard work to make a living as any kind of artist!

SeeYouLater! Due February 13; 1 child; 1 angel baby; None, WA, United States 6621 posts
28th Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting ☮live:</b>" You mean you don't just click a button and you're done?! ;) I'm still fearful of charging but it's too much work to give away."</blockquote>




Haha! Right?! My camera is cool and does all the work anyway. *eye roll* ;)

☮live Due January 23; 2 kids; Nampa, Idaho 14721 posts
28th Feb '13
Quoting awesomebrandi:" Well, to a point. Most graphic designers have a certain style and I'd say there are various niches in ... [snip!] ... more limited (generally) in what we aim to produce. But, either way.. it's hard work to make a living as any kind of artist!"


Amen to that!! I've definitely gained sooo much more respect for other photographers, artists and small businesses after trying to run my own.

☮live Due January 23; 2 kids; Nampa, Idaho 14721 posts
28th Feb '13
Quoting I♥AnnaBanana:" <blockquote><b>Quoting ☮live:</b>" You mean you don't just click a button and ... [snip!] ... too much work to give away."</blockquote> Haha! Right?! My camera is cool and does all the work anyway. *eye roll* ;)"


haha if only it were that easy...