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lolajessup 3 kids; 1 angel baby; Beaverton, Michigan 44076 posts
2nd Jan '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting I♥MyTots:</b>" That's so good that you have your own room now. Hopefully they don't get too many patients. How are things going?"</blockquote>



Pretty good. It's gonna get boring now though with school starting back up and all. Nobody will have time to get out here :( but hopefully I'll be kept busy by hospital visitors like the social worker, drs., chaplain, etc.

queso +2 (40!!!) 2 kids; Montana 9467 posts
2nd Jan '13

I'm so sick of arguing with atheists. Its not something I get myself involved with directly. They just want a fight. I'm so tired of it. Its not even like I argue, I just try to explain myself best and can and that is what I do the whole time. They don't argue why they believe what they do, they just attack me. :( Like the Hobby Lobby thing... google it if you don't know. gosh... I'm just so sick of people right now.

homes cool Due August 1; 2 kids; 2 angel babies; Indiana 61618 posts
2nd Jan '13
Quoting lolajessup:" <blockquote><b>Quoting the grace life:</b>" I forgot to answer, no, DH doesn't do ... [snip!] ... "</blockquote> Thats awesome. Does he at least support you and encourage you so it's not harder on you to do?"


Yes. He'll listen if I want to practice, or something like that. He hasn't really gotten to the point where he is memorizing scripture and stuff though, he's still a really new Christian in terms of how deep he's gotten with it all. One step at a time!

Mommeee™ 2 kids; Beverly Hills, CA, United States 5268 posts
2nd Jan '13
Quoting queso +2curdles(17):" I'm so sick of arguing with atheists. Its not something I get myself involved with directly. They just ... [snip!] ... just attack me. :( Like the Hobby Lobby thing... google it if you don't know. gosh... I'm just so sick of people right now."


I'm so sorry. But I have the same problem too. I post scriptures on my facebook status's and people would either comment on them or make a status directly after pertaining to mine and how wrong I am or how dumb I must be. I struggle and I've prayed about it for awhile whether to delete some of these people or would I be denying what God intended for me to do. If they aren't reading the Gospel, and they only see it from my updates on Facebook then is it my responsibility to keep them there? I try to remember that the world turned their back on Jesus so I must push through this.

lolajessup 3 kids; 1 angel baby; Beaverton, Michigan 44076 posts
2nd Jan '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting queso +2curdles(17):</b>" I'm so sick of arguing with atheists. Its not something I get myself involved with directly. They just ... [snip!] ... just attack me. :( Like the Hobby Lobby thing... google it if you don't know. gosh... I'm just so sick of people right now."</blockquote>



I know :cry: I am open minded to what people believe. I do not attack anyone. But I feel like they always attack people who are believers and it's so hurtful. Try not to let it get to you.

lolajessup 3 kids; 1 angel baby; Beaverton, Michigan 44076 posts
2nd Jan '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting the grace life:</b>" Yes. He'll listen if I want to practice, or something like that. He hasn't really gotten to the point ... [snip!] ... scripture and stuff though, he's still a really new Christian in terms of how deep he's gotten with it all. One step at a time!"</blockquote>



That's good though. I can't imagine tackling something without at least a support system at home

homes cool Due August 1; 2 kids; 2 angel babies; Indiana 61618 posts
2nd Jan '13

This what I desire for my witness to be like..."Preach the gospel at all times -- If necessary, use words." I want my LIFE to be 100% a testament to who God is, my words to only back that up. I fail....a lot...but I'm trying.

user banned 1 child; Nunya, CA, United States 6369 posts
2nd Jan '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting queso +2curdles(17):</b>" I'm so sick of arguing with atheists. Its not something I get myself involved with directly. They just ... [snip!] ... just attack me. :( Like the Hobby Lobby thing... google it if you don't know. gosh... I'm just so sick of people right now."</blockquote>



Try to remember who your intended audience is. Whenever I have a "debate", (I will not argue) I try and remember that it is the people who AREN'T talking, just watching the debate, that are reading what you write and taking it to heart.



Think about the Bible. Was it meant for the lost? Actually no. It is meant for the saved. That's not to say that unbelievers won't take anything from it; they will. But the Bible's audience is believers who are given discernment, to understand what they are reading.



I have received many PM's from people who followed along in a debate, but never said a word by joining in.

queso +2 (40!!!) 2 kids; Montana 9467 posts
2nd Jan '13

Thanks everyone :) Makes me feel a little better. Just wish people weren't so quick to argue.

The Blissful Six 4 kids; 1 angel baby; Massachusetts 10260 posts
2nd Jan '13
Quoting queso +2curdles(17):" Thanks everyone :) Makes me feel a little better. Just wish people weren't so quick to argue."


I don't argue with people about it much anymore either. But I get where you are coming from.

user banned 1 child; Nunya, CA, United States 6369 posts
2nd Jan '13

Some good, encouraging article to read:



http://www.omegaletter.com/articles/articles.asp?ArticleID=7491




According to Scripture, the names of everybody that ever lived are recorded in the Book of Life. The
Book of Life is but one of the record books kept in heaven that records our time on this earth. The
Bible also identifies the Books of Tears, Remembrance, and the Book of Births.
God foreordained my birth and my name was therefore recorded in the Book of Births before the
foundation of the world. The Book of Tears contains the record of my trials and tribulations and
disappointments.
My name was recorded in the Book of Life as well, even before I came to Christ. And my plea for
salvation was recorded in the Book of Remembrance. Revelation 3:5 says that he that overcomes
will be clothed in white rainment and that Jesus will not blot his name out of the Book of Life.
How's that again? Does that mean that a saved person's name can be blotted out if they fail to
'overcome'? How does a saved person "overcome" the world?
Answer: He can't. He couldn't if he wanted to. If a person could overcome the world, then why
would we need a Savior? We are overcomers through faith in He that overcame the world on our
behalf.
"These things I have spoken unto you, that in Me ye might have peace. In the world ye
shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." (John 16:33)
Babies who die as babies go to heaven, so their names must already be recorded in the Book of Life.
Paul writes to the Romans:
"I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I
died." (Romans 7:9)
So your name remains in the Book of Life as long as you are alive. If your sin isn't covered by the
Blood of Christ by the time you leave this earth, then your name is blotted out of the Book of Life.
But it is still recorded in the Book of Births, the Book of Tears and especially in the Book of
Remembrances.
So the records of your birth, your trials and tribulations and those things God remembers but you
forgot will all be opened -- and you will give an account for what is recorded against you.
But if your name is blotted out of the Book of Life, it means you were convicted in absentia -- the
Great White Throne Judgment is, in reality a sentencing hearing.
Nobody that appears before the Great White Throne will have their names recorded in the Book of
Life.
The Bible calls the Great White Throne judgment the 'second death'.1/2/13 The Omega Letter Christian Intelligence Digest Article Print
www.omegaletter.com/articles/print.asp?ArticleID=7491 2/3
So in summary, the Bible outlines four different books in which our names are recorded and against
which we are judged, either at the Bema Seat or the Great White Throne.
The books record our births and our trials in this life. We are judged according to what is written in
those books, and we are saved according to what is written in the other two.
Science also has a "Book of Life". DNA is nicknamed 'the Book of Life' by geneticists because
encoded in our DNA is all the necessary information that makes life possible.
DNA encodes our red blood cells, and the heart that pumps them. DNA encodes our hair follicles,
and the color of the hair in them. DNA encodes our bones, and the muscles attached to them.
And DNA thoroughly destroys any argument of random creation, since it proves all the details of
your life were encoded in advance, right down to one's individual disposition.
It is the DNA structure that 'creates' life in the same sense that inputting certain information into a
computer 'creates' the results intended by its programmer.
Comparing the Scriptures to DNA research, one can make a powerful argument for predestination,
without impugning our free will.
Although they haven't completely unlocked that part of the human genome, geneticists believe that
when you will die and what you will die of is already encoded in your DNA.
Barring some accident, you are already predestined, by your genetic code, to live a finite period of
time before your DNA activates the disease already encoded in your DNA that will ultimately kill
you. That doesn't mean you don't have free will.
You could still kill yourself. Or battle the disease medically. But depending on your DNA code, the
treatment will either work or it will not.
You have nothing to say about how you were programmed, yet your free will remains unfettered.
It is no accident that scientists have dubbed DNA 'the Book of Life." They took their imagery directly
from Scripture, because Scripture has already outlined how it works.
"O Lord, Thou has searched me and known me. Thou knowest my downsitting and
mine uprising, Thou understandest my thought afar off. Thou compassed my path and
my lying down, and art acquainted with all my ways. For there is not a word in my
tongue but, lo, O Lord, Thou knowest it altogether." (Psalms 139:1-4)
Scripture teaches that we are individuals by sovereign Design, rather than by a combination of
random chance and our own choices. Scripture says,
"For Thou hast possessed my reins: Thou hast covered me in my mother's womb."
(Psalms 139:13)
Science also now says that our genetic code is imprinted on each of us from the womb. The
Scriptures say,
"I will praise Thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvelous are Thy works;
and that my soul knoweth right well."1/2/13 The Omega Letter Christian Intelligence Digest Article Print
www.omegaletter.com/articles/print.asp?ArticleID=7491
Science agrees that we are unique individuals whose differences are predetermined. While the
Scriptures assign that marvel to our creation by a sovereign God, science assigns the same marvel to
the uniqueness of our DNA encoding, while denying the existence of an Encoder.
"Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in THY BOOK ALL MY
MEMBERS WERE WRITTEN, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there
was none of them" (Psalms 139:16)
According to the Bible, God knew who and what I would be
while I was 'under construction' in the womb, according to
the genetic Book of Life that contained all my relevant
information.
Geneticists say they can determine these same details, one's
sex, hair color, physical strengths and weaknesses,
susceptibility to disease, and even one's susceptibility for sin,
based on the information encoded in the DNA before one is
born.
Geneticists have discovered genetic markers that predispose some people to criminal behavior,
violence, drug abuse or alcoholism, for example. These discoveries have resulted in the development
of a scientific sub-discipline called 'behavioral genetics'.
DNA can determine the probability of mental illnesses, physical deformities, things like Down's
Syndrome, and a host of other genetic factors that will determine everything from how I process
information to predicting the way I will react to that information.
In light of advances in DNA research, arguing against the existence of a Creator God to initially
program our DNA is like arguing that once a computer builds itself, it writes its own programming,
turns itself on and decides for itself what it wants to work on and for how long before automatically
self-destructing.
Which makes no sense at all.
What DOES make sense is a Creator God Who built me a certain way, left me with free will choices
to make the most of it, and, since I am predisposed to make the wrong choices in certain areas of my
life, also made a way for me to live in His sight for eternity, despite my built-in shortcomings.
And a way for my name to remain in the Lamb's Book of Life long after my DNA has turned to dust.
"For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that He shall stand at the latter day upon the
earth: And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see
God: Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though
my reins be consumed within me." (Job 19:25-27)



http://www.omegaletter.com/articles/articles.asp?ArticleID=7486




One of the most important differences between Biblical Christianity and most other belief structures, (including atheism) is that, by its very nature, Christianity discourages becoming mythologized.
That is one reason that twenty centuries after the fact, Jesus is still God, but 'Jupiter' is a planet in the solar system.



Mythological religious figures are larger-than-life, have supernatural power, are somewhat mischievous, and their deeds tend to grow with time.



One could say that about Zeus, one could say that about about Mohammed, or one could say that about Charles Darwin.



Jesus Christ was larger-than-life in His humility. No other mythological god ever washed the feet of his servants. Jesus did not exercise His Personal power, but always accredited it to God the Father.



Jesus was kind and friendly, but deadly serious -- no one could accuse Him of being mischievous. And Jesus Christ was the same yesterday as today.



There are no eyewitnesses to the life and times of Zeus or Jupiter. The Koran contains no eyewitness accounts -- it was compiled after the death of Mohammed from oral tradition.



Charles Darwin was not the committed atheist his followers claim, but rather, he was the son of a preacher who attended Divinity School.



And, according to an eyewitness to his death, a Lady Hope, he underwent a 'deathbed conversion' in which he renounced atheism.



Darwin's followers call that a 'myth'. That's my point. There are more written eyewitnessaccounts to the life and times of Jesus Christ than of any major historical figure of antiquity.



(And more eyewitnesses to His last words, ("tetelestai!" meaning, "paid in full") than there were to Charles Darwin's.)



Any attempt to mythologize Jesus Christ runs into a brick wall of eyewitness testimony. Jesus Christ has been mythologized by cults, but that is why they are called cults.



Because they introduce an element of unprovable myth to a life already marked by proven miracles well attested to by multiple, unrelated eyewitnesses.



In Jesus' day, Jerusalem was a relatively small, close-knit city, many of whose residents could trace their genealogy back to Adam. Everybody knew everybody, or they knew somebody who knew somebody -- like in many small towns today.



There is a story in which Jesus was preaching in a crowded synagogue. A paralytic, desiring to be healed, couldn't be maneuvered through the crowd, so instead, they tore a hole in the roof and lowered the guy down.



(Like THAT wouldn't be the talk of the town, in and of itself - the text says he was a paralytic from birth, and well known to his neighbors.)



Having lowered the guy down from the roof (picture it from the perspective of the audience) to Jesus, Jesus says to the guy, "Arise, take up thy bed, and walk."



And he does! He picks up his bed, and walks out through the crowd.



The Gospel of Mark, which related the story, was already in circulation sometime around 45 AD -- fifteen years after the fact. (There is little reason to doubt the healed paralytic was still alive and telling his own story, as well).



It is fair to assume that Jesus had at least as many enemies as He had friends. But there are no contemporary records denying that event took place.



Why? Too many eyewitnesses were there to see what really happened.



One cannot mythologize Jesus for several reasons:



1) the incredible detail of the written eyewitness record;
2) the contemporary acceptance of the Gospels as fact; and,
3) when it comes to the life and times of Jesus Christ, no myth is necessary.



No myth could possibly add to the truth.



Those are the reasons why Jesus can't be mythologized. There is also a reason why few, outside of the cults, have tried. There is no motive. To be saved, one must accept Jesus Christ as He is.



A Christian's motivation is a sincere belief in heaven and hell and an equally sincere desire to keep his fellow man from ending up in hell. A mythologized Jesus cannot save anyone.



On the other hand, atheism has no eternal power, demands no eternal accountability, and therefore, has no absolute truth.



Consequently, it is built entirely on a foundation of mythology.



Let's examine just a few examples of atheist mythology (with acknowledgment to Vox Day's brilliant book, "The Irrational Atheist.")



Day takes on the most specious arguments offered by the three best-selling atheist authors of our time, Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins.



Myth: Atheists make up a smaller percentage of prison inmates than their religious counterparts.
Fact: Surveys show that those who profess no religion are four times as likely to be incarcerated than Christians.



Myth: Cities in Blue States are safer than Red-State cities.
Fact: The safest cities in "Blue" states are in "Red" counties. The most dangerous cities in "Red" States are in "Blue" counties. (It all depends on how you frame the facts)



Myth: Richard Dawkins claimed in his book, "The God Delusion" that religions are responsible for the destruction of religious art and literature.
Fact: Vox Day counters by pointing out the 41,000 churches destroyed the Soviet atheists, and thousands of Buddhist temples destroyed in Tibet, North Korea, and Vietnam, as they attempted to persecute religious belief out of existence.



Myth: Hitler was a Christian.
Fact: Hitler was a baptized Catholic who was heavily involved in the occult, Theosophy, Arianism etc. who hated Christians and planned to replace Christianity with Aryanism, an atheistic religion based in racial eugenics.



Myth: Atheists are rational, and therefore would never commit atrocities.
Fact: Most of the dictators of the 20th century were atheists. The Soviet Union was an officially atheist state.



According to Day,




"...the average atheist crime against humanity is 18.3 million percent worse than the very worst depredation committed by Christians, even though atheists have had less than one-twentieth the number of opportunities with which to commit them."


Myth: Morality is a function of democracy in which the majority, rather than God, establish fundamental morality.
Fact: Both Hitler and Hamas were elected in free and fair democratic elections. Moral democracy is no guarantee of a 'moral majority'.
The late Christopher Hitchens wrote, in his book, "God is not Great" that "what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence," as his 'evidence' that he believed proved God is a myth. (Now he knows better)
Day identifies fifty-one statements made by Hitchens for which his book offers no supporting evidence.
(Therefore, by Hitchens' own logic, his book can be dismissed much more easily that the Bible.)



My favorite chapter title is Day's "Occam's Chainsaw" in which he applies the logical principle of "Occam's Razor" to the logical contradictions offered by Hitchens, Dawkins and Harris, et al.



In it, Day tackles the various logical problems inherent in the atheist arguments, including those rooted in lack of evidence, hallucination, temporal advantage, fiction, unfairness of hell, God's character, moral evolution, etc.



Bottom line? It takes far more faith in the face of the contradictions, inconsistencies, historical inaccuracies, and outright mythology of atheism than it does to accept the premise of a loving God who is intimately concerned with the spiritual well-being of His creation.




"For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know Whom I have believed, and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I have committed unto Him against that day." (2nd Timothy 1:12)


Marantha! (Come, Lord Jesus)

user banned 3 kids; Portland, Michigan 15675 posts
2nd Jan '13

This is it. I'm doing it. I'm starting on my reading plan TODAY! I'm going with the bible program for shirkers and slackers. Please encourage me to do it forreal this time. I need to. I need to get more into this and I need your help, ladies.

homes cool Due August 1; 2 kids; 2 angel babies; Indiana 61618 posts
2nd Jan '13
Quoting I♥MyTots:" This is it. I'm doing it. I'm starting on my reading plan TODAY! I'm going with the bible program for ... [snip!] ... slackers. Please encourage me to do it forreal this time. I need to. I need to get more into this and I need your help, ladies."


You can do it! I'm doing the same plan, I'll happily be here for you any time <3

user banned 3 kids; Portland, Michigan 15675 posts
2nd Jan '13
Quoting the grace life:" You can do it! I'm doing the same plan, I'll happily be here for you any time <3 "


Thank you! I just read the book of jobs verses 1, 2, 3 and now I'm reading the book of Joshua verses 1, 2, 3, 4 to make up from yesterday. I think I'm going to go ahead and read some more since the girls are being so good.

user banned 3 kids; Portland, Michigan 15675 posts
2nd Jan '13

I read it!!!!!! I'm so happy!!!! FIL says it's going to make me be a better person by reading the bible everyday. He's our preacher.