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user banned 1 child; Nunya, CA, United States 6369 posts
3rd Oct '12

<blockquote><b>Quoting * Sara *:</b>" I have never seen you be a bully. You are just informed and some people don't want to hear it. *shrugs* Oh well."</blockquote>



If she's informed, shouldn't that information be shared instead of guilt tripping people?

kthx. Due January 14; Cleves, Ohio 66515 posts
3rd Oct '12
Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:" <blockquote><b>Quoting kthx.:</b>" How am I harsh? Because I speak the truth? :D"</blockquote> ... [snip!] ... you're pretty mean about it. Let the facts speak for themselves. You are very informed about this...so share that knowledge."


I didn't know we were D&Ding about circumcision itself? I dunno if that's what YOU changed it into. I was discussing being against routine infant circumcision. And I did post proof stating that it's just as harmful to do it to babies, if not more, than to adults. So... what's your point?

kthx. Due January 14; Cleves, Ohio 66515 posts
3rd Oct '12
Quoting * Sara *:" I have never seen you be a bully. You are just informed and some people don't want to hear it. *shrugs* Oh well."


I'm so mean because I'm against unnecessary surgery on an infant. SHAME ON ME.

Back to Noob Status Ohio 14048 posts
3rd Oct '12
Quoting Rumpelstiltskin:" But in most countries outside of the USA people don't circ'. And just because you are intact doesn't mean you cannot get an STD... it only lowers the risk like 3%! That's what condoms are for. "


Three percent is enough for me. And I realize that being circ doesn't zero the risk of transmission.

Back to Noob Status Ohio 14048 posts
3rd Oct '12
Quoting Layla-and-Faith:" OR instead of chopping off part of his p***s you could teach him the PROPER way of avoiding STIs... ... [snip!] ... avoiding STIs... condoms!! Here in Canada, doctors are actually starting to refuse to perform them because they are not needed."


Because condoms are 100% effective. :roll:

Back to Noob Status Ohio 14048 posts
3rd Oct '12
Quoting ☾BizzyBee♉:" I think it's a damn good point. Some parents could find articles and research saying circumcision is ... [snip!] ... choices that others will have to get over. I'm not pro or against it. I'm pro you parent your own child and I'll parent mine. "


Exactly.



I don't care for CIO methods, but I would not dare try to tell someone how THEY should handle THEIR children. It is arrogant.

1 child; United Kingdom 1719 posts
3rd Oct '12

<blockquote><b>Quoting kthx.:</b>" I'm so mean because I'm against unnecessary surgery on an infant. SHAME ON ME."</blockquote>




:!:!:!:!:



Well shame on me too. I hate circumcision for cosmetic reasons. Makes my blood boil. Medical is a different story though.



Although saying that I wouldn't ever tell someone whether or not to get their child circumcised that's their business, and its my business that I wouldn't get it done for my son.

user banned 1 child; Nunya, CA, United States 6369 posts
3rd Oct '12

<blockquote><b>Quoting kthx.:</b>" I'm so mean because I'm against unnecessary surgery on an infant. SHAME ON ME."</blockquote>



I NEVER said you were mean BECAUSE of your stance. It's a stance that I am coming to support. What you do is ANTAGONIZE, BELITTLE AND DEMEAN women who are JUST as backed(in the opinion arena) by data as you are. So, if you want to sway opinions, you should overwhelm them with the pro's of being intact as well as the dangers of circumcision. I've only ever seen you be snarky and WAY too blunt about YOUR feelings on it.



You are so busy debating YOUR FEELINGS on the subject that the facts that changed my mind are lost on you.



You have a good position, you don't need to make it personal.

kthx. Due January 14; Cleves, Ohio 66515 posts
3rd Oct '12
Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:" <blockquote><b>Quoting kthx.:</b>" I'm so mean because I'm against unnecessary surgery ... [snip!] ... the subject that the facts that changed my mind are lost on you. You have a good position, you don't need to make it personal."


Something like this SHOULD be personal. Throwing facts at someone does absolutely nothing. Half the time, nobody reads that shit. But when someone actually puts effort and feeling into what they're saying.... people listen.




You can ignore my posts. I don't care either way. I'm being me and talking how I would any other time. *shrug*

Back to Noob Status Ohio 14048 posts
3rd Oct '12
Quoting kthx.:" Something like this SHOULD be personal. Throwing facts at someone does absolutely nothing. Half the ... [snip!] ... people listen. You can ignore my posts. I don't care either way. I'm being me and talking how I would any other time. *shrug*"


I've seen plenty of anti-circers bully people on BG, calling them baby mutilators, horrible parents, child abusers....not saying I've seen YOU do this, but I have seen others, and it honestly makes me dig my heels more into my beliefs.



Guilt tripping someone based on their parent decisions that they felt was best is never okay in my book.

kthx. Due January 14; Cleves, Ohio 66515 posts
3rd Oct '12
Quoting Back to Noob Status:" I've seen plenty of anti-circers bully people on BG, calling them baby mutilators, horrible parents, ... [snip!] ... into my beliefs. Guilt tripping someone based on their parent decisions that they felt was best is never okay in my book."


They shouldn't feel guilty if they're comfortable in their decision. Period. I'd never let anyone make me feel guilty for a parenting decision I thought was best. If I feel at all guilty, it's because I'm not 100% certain of my decision.

Back to Noob Status Ohio 14048 posts
3rd Oct '12
Quoting Rumpelstiltskin:" Okay, taking away breast tissue can prevent cancer. So are you for chopping your daughter's b**bs off?? One in every eight girls born each day develop breast cancer. "

You know, that wouldn't be such a bad idea....:wink:



Honestly though, that is a good point, but no doctor is going to chop off a girl's breast for that reason.

Back to Noob Status Ohio 14048 posts
3rd Oct '12
Quoting Rumpelstiltskin:" True. And thank goodness, I like my boobies! :D:D "


A world without tits would be like a world without music.



NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ILOVEWINE Due April 24; 2 kids; Sweden 10814 posts
3rd Oct '12

I agree. Take away infant circ and you will have the same issues as when abortion was illegal. People will preform them themselves and cost babies their lives. I can think of many things parents do that are worse for infants and children than cutting forskin, like second hand smoke and eating processed foods.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 22972 posts
3rd Oct '12
Quoting kthx.:" 98% of circumcisions in the US are performed with no anesthesia. A study conducted at the Institute ... [snip!] ... of memory (Study, Toronto Hospital for Sick Children). I mean.... to me, it's not worth it to put my son through that."


Ugh. BG has bounced me out 4 times while responding to this! Grr.

Anyway, while I'm passionate about some topics and will find and/or copy good info, I dont care enough about this one. Suffice it to say that there is lots of info that disagrees with the info you posted.
There is info disputing the inportance of cortidol measurements. also, there si info about pain in fetuses and abortion.
If we had a son the baby would be circd. my husband is Jewish. i prefer circd penises. If he was strongly opposed I'd be fine skipping the procedure but i wouldnt feel like i was sparing him some awful procedure and depriving him of anything later in life.