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3.24.10☀9.10.11☀12.12.14 Due December 12 (girl); 2 kids; 2 angel babies; Oregon 3485 posts
11th Oct '12

<blockquote><b>Quoting Juliette:</b>" If vaccines work, how does my non vaccinated kid hurt your vaccinated kid."</blockquote>




It can hurt the children that are too young to get the specific vaccine.

existentialism 2 kids; Texas 16990 posts
11th Oct '12

Not doing your due diligence and research on your OWN PERSONAL SITUATION is bad parenting. I think giving point blank vaccines (the same) to all children and giving 3-4 vaccines per visit is not the right track. I think it's parental responsibility to do the research and find out what is right for your life. Some children have a life where they might come into contact with sick people more (daycare, etc).. Children who are formula fed are also higher risk. So, a child who is formula fed and in daycare, especially early on? Yes, I see the point of more vaccines (still spread out though).. but a child like mine.. breastfed for 20 months and at home with me all the time.. Our situation is not the same. But blindly following what your doctor says isn't responsible parenting either, IMO. While doctors receive an impressive amount of schooling, they are not super human; god like beings that are perfect, and nor do they know your life inside and out.

Ellie. 34 kids; Arizona 25371 posts
11th Oct '12
Quoting Squeaky McGee:" That's how I feel. Sure, Polio and Smallpox have been eradicated... in the US. But America is a giant ... [snip!] ... I'm not convinced those diseases will remain eradicated. This is just my opinion, though. I try not to inflict it on others."


Yes. We never know what is possible. Shit they are finding cases of the plague for god's sake.

I just think the chicken pox, while it has the very small potential to be deadly (VERY small), it is a relatively normal childhood disease. We didnt have vaccines for it. We just got it... and got over it. Same with the flu. I think vaccines for that are pointless

Serial Mom ✄ 18 kids; Michigan 2690 posts
11th Oct '12

<blockquote><b>Quoting Squeaky McGee:</b>" I'm pro-vax, but I disagree. It's a personal choice. I get sick of hearing both sides of the argument ... [snip!] ... seeing my FB wall plastered with anti-vax propaganda. I don't care what people do in this regard. Their child, their choice."</blockquote>




That's how I feel too. I'm also pro vax.
By most kids being vaccinated, they are protecting the ones that aren't.
I know some vaccinations can be unsafe but I don't believe in the argument that they cause autism.

Squeaky McGee [8 wks] Due May 7; 2 kids; 3 angel babies; Indiana 65202 posts
11th Oct '12
Quoting Man. Bear. Pig.:" Yes. We never know what is possible. Shit they are finding cases of the plague for god's sake. ... [snip!] ... We didnt have vaccines for it. We just got it... and got over it. Same with the flu. I think vaccines for that are pointless"


Yeah, there are hundreds of strains of Influenza and the vaccine only contains 3 or 4. I've never gotten a flu shot, and as long as it's up to me, I won't.

Katharyn Marie 1 child; Millbrook, Alabama 553 posts
11th Oct '12

I do vaccinate, but I don't think its irresponsible for parents to not do it. That is the parents decision, there are risks with both vaccinating and not doing it. So really if it is irresponsible to not do it due to risks of getting sick, I am also irresponsible for taking the risk of the potential side effects of vaccinating.

Vindictive 50 kids; Switzerland 30558 posts
11th Oct '12
Quoting awesomebrandi:" Not doing your due diligence and research on your OWN PERSONAL SITUATION is bad parenting. I think giving ... [snip!] ... amount of schooling, they are not super human; god like beings that are perfect, and nor do they know your life inside and out."


This.

existentialism 2 kids; Texas 16990 posts
11th Oct '12
Quoting Serial Mom ✄:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Squeaky McGee:</b>" I'm pro-vax, but I disagree. It's a personal ... [snip!] ... the ones that aren't. I know some vaccinations can be unsafe but I don't believe in the argument that they cause autism."


That is NOT the only argument against vaccines, lol.

Ellie. 34 kids; Arizona 25371 posts
11th Oct '12
Quoting Squeaky McGee:" Yeah, there are hundreds of strains of Influenza and the vaccine only contains 3 or 4. I've never gotten a flu shot, and as long as it's up to me, I won't."


I've gotten the vaccine a few times. I always get the flu. My body is unable to fight it off for some reason, since it's live virus they inject. But.... I had the chance of NOT getting it to begin with, and I put my body through unnecessary hell!

_______Nope_________ 23772 posts
11th Oct '12

I disagree. While I choose to vaccinate, I understand that it is a difficult choice. There are pros and cons to the choice, and the parents who choose not to vaccinate are doing what they feel is best. It isn't irresponsible then, even if it isn't the same choice I made.



But each side feels the need to bash the other. Pro vaxers like to say it's irresponsible, or that those parents are swayed by hype and conspiracy theory. Anti-vaxers like to say that the parents who do vaccinate don't do research, or don't think for themselves.



At the end of the day it's just another topic for parents to berate one another over.

Squeaky McGee [8 wks] Due May 7; 2 kids; 3 angel babies; Indiana 65202 posts
11th Oct '12
Quoting Serial Mom ✄:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Squeaky McGee:</b>" I'm pro-vax, but I disagree. It's a personal ... [snip!] ... the ones that aren't. I know some vaccinations can be unsafe but I don't believe in the argument that they cause autism."


Me neither. I can understand that parents aren't comfortable with injecting chemicals into their children, but I don't buy into the autism debate.

Vindictive 50 kids; Switzerland 30558 posts
11th Oct '12
Quoting Serial Mom ✄:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Squeaky McGee:</b>" I'm pro-vax, but I disagree. It's a personal ... [snip!] ... the ones that aren't. I know some vaccinations can be unsafe but I don't believe in the argument that they cause autism."


Neither do I.



And I don't vaccinate.

Punk Rock Princess {EBFT} 3 kids; Killeen, Texas 26868 posts
11th Oct '12

How I feel about this quote:



Not vaccinating is irresponsible parenting.
No, uneducated decisions are irresponsible either way.



It not only puts the child at risk for potentially deadly infections but imposes those threats on those around them.
Vaccines also kill children and shed to those around them.



See anyone with Polio or smallpox lately? Thanks to vaccines those diseases have become almost obsolete.
Actually polio isn't so uncommon. It usually presents as a stomach bug and people recover. Only 1% become paralized and in the last 30 years they have mostly been caused by the oral polio vaccine.



Whopping cough is coming back due to those parents choosing not to vaccinate their children.
Even the CDC says this is not true. Whooping cough is coming back because the virus has mutated because of the vaccine. Even before it mutated the vaccine wasn't terribly effective.



It is irresponsible whn those diseases can be prevented by a simple safe vaccine.
1) Vaccines don't prevent diseases as a guarantee.
2) Vaccines aren't simple or safe.
3) Like I said in the first sentence, irresponsible parenting is doing anything uneducated.




All that being said, I have no stance on the subject. I don't vaccinate my kids but I surely don't care what anyone else does.

Squeaky McGee [8 wks] Due May 7; 2 kids; 3 angel babies; Indiana 65202 posts
11th Oct '12
Quoting awesomebrandi:" That is NOT the only argument against vaccines, lol."


She didn't say it was. It just seems to be one that pops up from time to time.

John Mayer. 2 kids; Modesto, California 21992 posts
11th Oct '12

I don't vaccinate, and I don't feel I'm being irresponsible at all. *shrugs*



I do what I believe is right for MY CHILDREN, not anyone else's. It makes me laugh sometimes because more than half of the people I've discussed the topic with don't know shit about vaccinations, what's in them, side effects, anything.