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Crystallized Due February 24; 1 child; California 431 posts
9th Nov '12
Quoting ★Bαtgirl:" Did you really read what she said? What the girl this OP is talking about, was that white people owe her something for all the shit in the past. "


Yes, I read exactly what she said.
And I said I agree with her.
But I disagree with the fact that she said it ONLY happens because we act this way.

PANDORAX1 1 child; Greensboro, North Carolina 470 posts
9th Nov '12
Quoting Crystallized:" You seriously think that the only reason people are racist is because the people they are being racist ... [snip!] ... so because they feel they are "entitled" to anything. Unless you believe that wanting to be treated as an equal is entitlement."


to be perfectly honest... yes....
because we are equal...
there are just as many blacks who hate whites as there are whites who hate black.....



where im from there are business that prefer you too be black
we talk down on white people but get upset if they do the same about us....



we are very equal... we both have flaws
we both can spew the filthiest and most racist things out of our mouths
and whether we admit it or not we both are capable of the kind of hate that will set us back alot farther than we have ever come....



our PRESIDENT is black (Partly) if that doesnt show you that we are equal then nothing ever will.....

Crystallized Due February 24; 1 child; California 431 posts
9th Nov '12
Quoting PANDORAX1:" to be perfectly honest... yes.... because we are equal... there are just as many blacks who hate whites ... [snip!] ... we have ever come.... our PRESIDENT is black (Partly) if that doesnt show you that we are equal then nothing ever will....."


We're probably going to have to agree to disagree.



Geography makes a heck of a difference.
I live in Maryland, one of the most liberal states in the country,and it's still evident here that some people are racist simply because they want to be.



An example:
My fiance' was followed and pulled over 4 times this year in Columbia while driving out of his apt complex by the same officer. The first two times he said it was to make sure he belonged there. The third time he asked him if he was a drug dealer. The fourth time he searched his car. His minority friends have complained about the same thing going on in the surrounding area. His white friends have never had it happen to them.



My dad works for Amtrak and one of the station masters frequently refers to minority employees as n****rs when he thinks they can't hear them.



He wasn't a new face in the complex. He isn't a drug dealer. He doesn't look or dress like a stereotypical "thug". He doesn't complain and yell and moan about how white people owe him anything. Neither does my father.



This isn't a race war. It's not about saying that black people and minorities can't have racist ideals.



My point is that to say that black people only experience racism because they have encouraged it is a huge, gross, misunderstanding. And either way, anyone with common sense should know that a few people in an entire race don't speak for the majority. If a white woman runs down the street yelling "dumb n****rs", why should I then use that as an excuse to be racist against any white person I encounter?

Ellie. 34 kids; Arizona 25371 posts
9th Nov '12
Quoting Crystallized:" We're probably going to have to agree to disagree. Geography makes a heck of a difference. I live ... [snip!] ... the street yelling "dumb n****rs", why should I then use that as an excuse to be racist against any white person I encounter? "


You may not... but many would.

CL & DJs Mommy 3 kids; Georgia 6451 posts
9th Nov '12

I disagree.



I agree your friend is ignorant and needs to own up to whatever is going on with her life. But seriously...
A.The fact that people are not slaves anymore has NOTHING to do with the systematic injustice.
B.there are just as many blacks who hate whites as there are whites who hate black.....No there aren't, black people are 13% of the country. Its literaly impossible.
C."YES racism still exists.. but only because we ENOURAGE it.... with our noses up in the air pretending like white put us through so much.... " I'm not even getting into this but I seriously encourage you to take an African American Studies class to understand what slavery, Jim Crow Laws, etc. have done to the mentally of ALL black people. It has a HUGE bearing on how our children are raised.



I have nothing against anybody of any race, but realistically Affirmative Action, Minority Scholarships, etc are in place because there IS a problem.



Ellie. 34 kids; Arizona 25371 posts
9th Nov '12
Quoting CL & DJs Mommy:" I disagree. I agree your friend is ignorant and needs to own up to whatever is going on with her life. ... [snip!] ... of any race, but realistically Affirmative Action, Minority Scholarships, etc are in place because there IS a problem. "


Honestly... so I can understand... how does something that happened hundreds of years ago, have an affect on how you raise your children today?

Crystallized Due February 24; 1 child; California 431 posts
9th Nov '12
Quoting Man. Bear. Pig.:" You may not... but many would."


If you're basing "many" off of the black people you know, perhaps.
I have very few black friends who act this way.
It's all subjective and assumptions based off of what a few people do, and it's inexcusable for anyone because none of us, no matter what our race, can presume to know that we understand how "many" of the people of any race think and feel.

The Doctor 2 kids; Whiskey Dick Mountain, WA, United States 59929 posts
status 9th Nov '12
Quoting Man. Bear. Pig.:" Honestly... so I can understand... how does something that happened hundreds of years ago, have an affect on how you raise your children today?"


The theory, according to many, is that when the wee humans from Africa migrated into Europe, got stuck in Europe, were terrified, cold, and hungry, and lost our pigmentation. And THAT is the whole basis of our "western" society. So.... that's much more than a few hundred years ago. If that's any point of reference when many are talking about "race".



And, don't hate me, people... I can never for the life of me remember the name of this theory.

CL & DJs Mommy 3 kids; Georgia 6451 posts
9th Nov '12
Quoting Man. Bear. Pig.:" Honestly... so I can understand... how does something that happened hundreds of years ago, have an affect on how you raise your children today?"


The Slave Mentality. Passed on from generation to generation. It isn't a conscious thing, I didn't know about it until one of my lecture classes this semester. It affects how we discipline them , how we treat our sons and daughters differently, how we speak to each other in relationships.
When Africans were brought through Africa (and I'm not getting into the horrid details of enslavement), tribe members were seperated to make it difficult to communicate or carry on the cultures. Therefore each person had to find a new way to live. Black women and men were seperated by skin color, causing a division between the race. Over time it led to the mentality that lighter skin is better. This is why you'll notice women (not all but some) will treat their darker skinned children differently or become overly estatice when their child has "good hair" (wavy or curly). During enslavement boys were often taken from their mothers and sold to different plantations if they were deemed "good and strong". This led to mothers sheltering their sons and talking bad about them so that the slave masters wouldn't think they are good enough. I have MANY friends who encourage the stupid shit their sons do and deem it "cute" (fighting & cursing at 5)



I know its long but its just a few examples, there are MANY more though if anyone is willing to look. Basically most people raise their children how they were raised, small things may change but their is a basic base concept. Like how children who are abused are likely to abuse their children.

Ellie. 34 kids; Arizona 25371 posts
9th Nov '12
Quoting Crystallized:" If you're basing "many" off of the black people you know, perhaps. I have very few black friends who ... [snip!] ... of us, no matter what our race, can presume to know that we understand how "many" of the people of any race think and feel."


I was born and raised in Long Beach, California. I went to Poly High School (where Snoop Dogg went). That part of town had a very heavy population of black students. I attended for 4 years. Later, when I was young and broke and trying to live on my own, I lived in an apartment building next to the projects. I've been around enough black people to know that those views aren't isolated. I was talked shit to, yelled at, and once.... spit on, simply because I was white.

Ellie. 34 kids; Arizona 25371 posts
9th Nov '12
Quoting CL & DJs Mommy:" The Slave Mentality. Passed on from generation to generation. It isn't a conscious thing, I didn't ... [snip!] ... small things may change but their is a basic base concept. Like how children who are abused are likely to abuse their children."


It is a concious thing. Babies aren't born into the world knowing any of that. Their parents teach them. If people let go and move on..... it would stop.

Crystallized Due February 24; 1 child; California 431 posts
9th Nov '12
Quoting Man. Bear. Pig.:" I was born and raised in Long Beach, California. I went to Poly High School (where Snoop Dogg went). ... [snip!] ... to know that those views aren't isolated. I was talked shit to, yelled at, and once.... spit on, simply because I was white."


I'm sorry that happened to you.




But how do the black people in Long Beach account for the rest of the black people in the nation?



I'm assuming that when you said "you may not...but many would?", you were insinuating that you agreed that anyone with common sense wouldn't use what some people do as an excuse to be racist. Correct?



Transferring that to this conversation, how can you use what happened to you while living surrounded by black people in long beach to say how "many" black people approach their thoughts on racism? There are a heck of a lot more black people than the people in Long Beach, lol.



There are black people who have said that the same thing happened to them while surrounded by white people. But assuming that you were agreeing with my common sense statement again, you just inferred that it would be wrong to use that as an excuse that to build your view of white people and how they think and feel.



Which you're pretty much doing when you assume to know what many black people would or wouldn't do.



It's just wrong period. No matter what your race.
It is not untrue to say that it's wrong to assume you know how many of a certain group of people feel unless you know all of these people. None of us know all of a group of people to say how many of them think and feel. I don't see how you can disagree with that. It's all assumption and unfair judgment.

Ellie. 34 kids; Arizona 25371 posts
9th Nov '12
Quoting Crystallized:" I'm sorry that happened to you. But how do the black people in Long Beach account for the rest of ... [snip!] ... to say how many of them think and feel. I don't see how you can disagree with that. It's all assumption and unfair judgment."


I'm assuming some would... you are assuming some wouldn't. We are both assuming here. No one knows the whole black population. I'm saying that the people who use what happened to them hundreds of years ago as an excuse to "Hate Whitey".... are stupid and need to get over it. Dont get me wrong... not trying to downplay what they went through, but None of the white people today had anything to do with what black people went through generations ago.

CL & DJs Mommy 3 kids; Georgia 6451 posts
9th Nov '12
Quoting ★Bαtgirl:" Ok, I want to address this.. A) She was talking more about the way many black people like to talk ... [snip!] ... black students, but the minority white students in that school can't start a Caucasian club because that's considered racist. "


A. I agree. SOME black people are like that not all. And to get into that would have me typing for hours. But ther is a reason that black me make up over half of the prison population.



B. yes...you can. Just because there are more black people in one area, like my city of Atlanta does not negate the population of the ENTIRE COUNTRY.



C. I never shoved anything in anyones face. I'm well aware not everyone had slaves but that is how MOST black people came to America. So because it does not affect YOU does not mean it doesn't affect others.



Do you know what country your ancestors came from? I don't, I have no idea and if I wanted to find out I'd have to pay for some weird DNA test. Is this a major deal, eh kind of, it bothers me. But it doesn't affect YOU.



I have never had an African American Club in any of my schools. But I am an African American Studies minor so I guess thats a form of a "club". Do you know why we have this department at GSU? Because there are entire chunks of black history missing our of traditonal history classes.



If you want to start a caucasian club, go for it. It wouldn't bother me at all. Does the Spanish Club, Asian Club, and Native American Clubs bother you?



And no I don't believe anyone owes me anything, I just understand that there are injustices and flaws within our country that need to be fixed. There are black and white poeple who are racist, and I find it sickening.

Ellie. 34 kids; Arizona 25371 posts
9th Nov '12

C. I never shoved anything in anyones face. I'm well aware not everyone had slaves but that is how MOST black people came to America. So because it does not affect YOU does not mean it doesn't affect others.

No. Thats how some came to America. The rest were born here when their relatives procreated.