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Emily Dickinson 18 kids; Indiana 57849 posts
13th Nov '12
Quoting khigh:" You mean since 1860. The South seceded mainly in part because of the election of Lincoln and started ... [snip!] ... a few days after the election results were posted and had all seceded by February 1861, just one month after his inaguration."


My point, though, is that they didn't simply go for Lincoln's throat when they disagreed with him.

While I don't agree with secession when one doesn't like their interim leader, its better than the alternative, yes.

Emily Dickinson 18 kids; Indiana 57849 posts
13th Nov '12
Quoting SpaceCowgirl:" I have a family friend who is a lobbyist. He says the cycle is: business gives politician money for ... [snip!] ... to give back to the politician at the next election, etc, etc And the middle class are the poor saps who are paying for it."


So how do us middle class people get our voices heard? Nothing has worked yet.

~**germaphobic**~ 3 kids; Georgia 2208 posts
13th Nov '12

Why are they saying that there will be a civil war?I saw a video my sister showed me and it says "get ready for war ppl" let me find a link

SpaceCowgirl Due December 21; 3 kids; Oregon 20240 posts
13th Nov '12
Quoting Emily Dickinson:" So how do us middle class people get our voices heard? Nothing has worked yet."


Good question.



People need to vote for senators and congressmen who truly have our best interests in mind. I don't understand how congress has a 10% approval rating, yet the same morons keep getting elected.

Emily Dickinson 18 kids; Indiana 57849 posts
13th Nov '12
Quoting ~**germaphobic**~:" Why are they saying that there will be a civil war?I saw a video my sister showed me and it says "get ready for war ppl" let me find a link"


Because if history repeats itself, we are not going to allow states to seceed peacefully from our country. We will fight ourselves. Again. :?

I would be more afraid for the states that seceed and their ability to defend themselves from other threats.

~**germaphobic**~ 3 kids; Georgia 2208 posts
13th Nov '12

Why are they saying that there will be a civil war?I saw a video my sister showed me and it says "get ready for war ppl" let me find a link
http://www.examiner.com/article/15-states-including-texas-have-filed-a-petition-to-secede-from-the-united-states-1



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-6I3ZQuf_E&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Emily Dickinson 18 kids; Indiana 57849 posts
13th Nov '12
Quoting SpaceCowgirl:" Good question. People need to vote for senators and congressmen who truly have our best interests ... [snip!] ... best interests in mind. I don't understand how congress has a 10% approval rating, yet the same morons keep getting elected."


My fear always comes that I vote for the one that says they have our best interests at heart and then completely screw us in the end. *coughMitchDanielscough*

SpaceCowgirl Due December 21; 3 kids; Oregon 20240 posts
13th Nov '12
Quoting Emily Dickinson:" My fear always comes that I vote for the one that says they have our best interests at heart and then completely screw us in the end. *coughMitchDanielscough*"


But then people are too complacent to hold their representatives accountable.



Maybe people will wake up after the economy collapses.

~**germaphobic**~ 3 kids; Georgia 2208 posts
13th Nov '12

<blockquote><b>Quoting Emily Dickinson:</b>" Because if history repeats itself, we are not going to allow states to seceed peacefully from our ... [snip!] ... Again. :? I would be more afraid for the states that seceed and their ability to defend themselves from other threats."</blockquote>




This is freaking crazy! I live in. Georgia so damn wtf are we supposed to expect?

Legendary 2 kids; Beverly Hills, California 59667 posts
13th Nov '12
Quoting ~**germaphobic**~:" Why are they saying that there will be a civil war?I saw a video my sister showed me and it says "get ... [snip!] ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-6I3ZQuf_E&feature=youtube_gdata_player"

When someone says "cling to Jesus Christ" or suggest that the answer to any problem is religion, I immediately throw them on the non-credible list of a million other f**k heads with a youtube account.

~**germaphobic**~ 3 kids; Georgia 2208 posts
13th Nov '12

I Dnt know much about any of this...but do you guys think that the president can declare martial law (sp) on the states that are trying to seceed?



*sorry for the spelling , i'm on my phone.

~**germaphobic**~ 3 kids; Georgia 2208 posts
13th Nov '12

<blockquote><b>Quoting Legendary Amanda:</b>" When someone says "cling to Jesus Christ" or suggest that the answer to any problem is religion, I immediately ... [snip!] ... problem is religion, I immediately throw them on the non-credible list of a million other f**k heads with a youtube account. "</blockquote>




So this video isn't credible? I'm freaked out and confused at the same time..arghhh

khigh 1 child; Fort Sill, Oklahoma 8101 posts
13th Nov '12

Here's what The Blaze (Beck) says:
http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/11/13/more-than-30-states-have-a-serious-secession-movement/
And, the TPNN (TEA party news network)
http://tpnn.com/talk-of-secession-heats-up/



This video was from 2009, but he replayed it today (He cried!):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTl7A_KY0A4



This was also last time Texas wanted to go (Geraldo is an idiot):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyG-pArcZYw



Good article on it:
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/some-respond-to-election-results-by-advocating-secession/



Just goes to show you that it isn't a new movement. The new videos should be on YouTube in a few days.

khigh 1 child; Fort Sill, Oklahoma 8101 posts
13th Nov '12
Quoting ~**germaphobic**~:" I Dnt know much about any of this...but do you guys think that the president can declare martial law (sp) on the states that are trying to seceed? *sorry for the spelling , i'm on my phone."


Obammy signed the Executive Order allowing martial law, detaining of American citizens, and taking of personal property.



http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/03/16/executive-order-national-defense-resources-preparedness

khigh 1 child; Fort Sill, Oklahoma 8101 posts
13th Nov '12

Here's Daniel Miller, the leader of the Texas National Movement:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NwqgSS-jzU&feature=related


I LOVE his analogy. He says the Union is like a marriage and making these states stay is like telling a spouse who is abused that he/she has to stay because they have a contract.