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khigh 1 child; Fort Sill, Oklahoma 8101 posts
2nd Dec '12
Quoting Tarynosaurus Rex:" Omg stfu...what part of I'm done with this don't you understand? I have posted facts and intelligent ... [snip!] ... because you don't agree with them. So stop wasting your time. Do not respond to me again cuz you annoy the f**k out of me."


Just responding because I annoy you and I think it's hilarious. Annoy one Commie a day and I've done my job.

Bangtail 50 kids; Katy, Texas 7752 posts
2nd Dec '12

<blockquote><b>Quoting Tarynosaurus Rex:</b>" I'm sorry but that's bullshit. I did not read/respond because I'm tired as f**k and I've literally gone ... [snip!] ... And I never called you any names. So bite me. Also, I'm not on gov assistance and have not ever been in my entire adult life."</blockquote>



Did I even allude to the fact that you don't contribute to society? Nope. Not once. I was simply pointing out that I do care about people other then myself. That would be you jumping on the defense. I also never said anything about you being on assistance. Though, I think it's interesting that you'd point that out being that you're a proponent of assistance and those on it.

Tarynosaurus Rex San Antonio, Texas 1271 posts
2nd Dec '12
Quoting Bangtail:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Tarynosaurus Rex:</b>" I'm sorry but that's bullshit. I did ... [snip!] ... Though, I think it's interesting that you'd point that out being that you're a proponent of assistance and those on it."


Just because I'm a proponent of it doesn't mean I myself use it. I qualify for it, yes, but I won't even try to get it unless I hit rock bottom.

Bangtail 50 kids; Katy, Texas 7752 posts
2nd Dec '12

<blockquote><b>Quoting Tarynosaurus Rex:</b>" I really don't agree. I think capitalism is far worse. It allows the greediest to remain greedy while the poorest remain poor."</blockquote>



I guess my experience with it is different. My father grew up a very poor army brat, but worked very hard and gained a lot of wealth. He raised us knowing we had to do the same. My husband grew up literally dirt poor. His family lived off of ham and pimento cheese sandwiches for months at a time and they clothed themselves with donations from the community. He worked hard and put himself through college and now he makes a very, very good salary. Of course there are always rich, greedy misers who do more harm then good, but that can be said for any country anywhere. There are also greedy poor people who'd rather complain and take hand-outs then work to change their circumstances.

Tarynosaurus Rex San Antonio, Texas 1271 posts
2nd Dec '12
Quoting Bangtail:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Tarynosaurus Rex:</b>" I really don't agree. I think capitalism ... [snip!] ... anywhere. There are also greedy poor people who'd rather complain and take hand-outs then work to change their circumstances."


There will always be people who won't work for what they have, but the majority of people actually take pride in earning what they have and would not take assistance if they didn't need it. This whole American Dream thing is sold to people and it's just simply not true. The fact of the matter is most people who are born in poverty will never break the cycle. The resources just aren't there for so many people. It's not that simple to just pull yourself up by your bootstraps. So many factors go into it. I grew up dirt poor, went to college for one year and had to quit going because I couldn't afford it anymore. I've worked minimum wage jobs since I was 16. I'm 22 now. I work my ass off and still come out on bottom. If I don't find a way to afford school I will always be this poor. And not everyone has the mental capacity to go to school. The whole anyone can do it theory operates on the premise that everyone is equally intelligent, has the same resources, and the same opportunities. It's completely false.

Bangtail 50 kids; Katy, Texas 7752 posts
2nd Dec '12

<blockquote><b>Quoting Tarynosaurus Rex:</b>" Just because I'm a proponent of it doesn't mean I myself use it. I qualify for it, yes, but I won't even try to get it unless I hit rock bottom."</blockquote>




I had to when I was pregnant with my oldest because my jobs didn't offer health insurance. I am glad I had the option because it ended up being a very hard pregnancy. It didn't cover everything, but it definitely helped.

Tarynosaurus Rex San Antonio, Texas 1271 posts
2nd Dec '12
Quoting Bangtail:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Tarynosaurus Rex:</b>" Just because I'm a proponent of it doesn't ... [snip!] ... am glad I had the option because it ended up being a very hard pregnancy. It didn't cover everything, but it definitely helped."


If I were to get pregnant (I'm on bc and not ttc at all) I would need medicaid. And WIC and food stamps and all of that.

Bangtail 50 kids; Katy, Texas 7752 posts
2nd Dec '12

<blockquote><b>Quoting Tarynosaurus Rex:</b>" There will always be people who won't work for what they have, but the majority of people actually take ... [snip!] ... on the premise that everyone is equally intelligent, has the same resources, and the same opportunities. It's completely false."</blockquote>




While I agree with most of that, I think that the changes that need to be made aren't with capitalism or even just corporate greed. A lot of it has to do with our education system and the perversion of the American dream. People have equated success with things. People need to step back and realize that these things people are trying to sell them are not whats going to make them happy. The American dream used to be knowing you'll have enough to feed your family. Now, you need to spend $100,000 on college for a piece of paper that may not do anything for you, drive a POS BMW and have a 90 inch flat screen tv to validate yourself. It's crazy. We want it all now. We created the monster.

Bangtail 50 kids; Katy, Texas 7752 posts
2nd Dec '12

<blockquote><b>Quoting Tarynosaurus Rex:</b>" If I were to get pregnant (I'm on bc and not ttc at all) I would need medicaid. And WIC and food stamps and all of that."</blockquote>



I was on the shot. I've actually never gotten pregnant when I wasn't on BC. My body worked backwards.

Tarynosaurus Rex San Antonio, Texas 1271 posts
3rd Dec '12
Quoting Bangtail:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Tarynosaurus Rex:</b>" There will always be people who won't ... [snip!] ... drive a POS BMW and have a 90 inch flat screen tv to validate yourself. It's crazy. We want it all now. We created the monster."


That's true too, but think about it this way. Advertisers spend millions of dollars to tell us we're not good enough without their product. After a while it chips away at your psyche. You're poor and you see everyone around you buying "things". You get looked down upon if you don't have as much. But honestly these days most people I know are just trying to survive and have a little food on their plate at the end of the day. Personally my idea of success is being able to afford a modest house, have all my needs met, and be able to live comfortably without being in fear of losing a roof over my head.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23095 posts
3rd Dec '12
Quoting Tarynosaurus Rex:" I really don't agree. I think capitalism is far worse. It allows the greediest to remain greedy while the poorest remain poor."


I realize that you are tired of this post so i understand if you dont respond as i get "thread fatigue" as well.
BUT, i must say that the operative word in your above statement is "allows." It also allows people to take risks and work really hard and lose it all. It allows poor people to work hard, make the right decisions about their lives and move at least one step or 2 above being as poor as they were. yes, capitalism ALLOWS greed and it allows people to be poor. It isnt perfect but it is the most fair.

Solving the problem of those who appear stuck for generations is a complicated one. I believe the government has helped secure their position in the poorness or poverty and i dont think the government, even with the best intentions can get them out. The government is not willing to help with improving the schools and the government cannot buy parenting skills that have been atrocious for generations. To blame capitalism for well-intentioned social programs is placing the blame in the wrong place.

You said you are 22 and working your ass off and i think you said you are still poor. Most people in their early 20s are working their asses oof too so that they can improve their station in life. That is the way it's supposed to be.

On a final note, i DO believe that most people on assistance want to have a job and be self-sufficient. I also believe that being less comfortable on assistance would help speed the process.

Bangtail 50 kids; Katy, Texas 7752 posts
3rd Dec '12
Quoting TheNuge:" I realize that you are tired of this post so i understand if you dont respond as i get "thread fatigue" ... [snip!] ... to have a job and be self-sufficient. I also believe that being less comfortable on assistance would help speed the process."


Unfortunately, if we keep going the route we are going, no amount of assistance will salvage our country. The latest press releases about proposed plans for the fiscal cliff are sickening.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23095 posts
3rd Dec '12

<blockquote><b>Quoting Bangtail:</b>" Unfortunately, if we keep going the route we are going, no amount of assistance will salvage our country. The latest press releases about proposed plans for the fiscal cliff are sickening."</blockquote>




Yes, it is sickening. I've been watching it closely and it's worse than I thought it could be.

Bangtail 50 kids; Katy, Texas 7752 posts
3rd Dec '12
Quoting TheNuge:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Bangtail:</b>" Unfortunately, if we keep going the route we ... [snip!] ... Yes, it is sickening. I've been watching it closely and it's worse than I thought it could be."


I'm amazed that our government would even consider giving him so much power with raising the debt ceiling, especially when we have already seen how disastrous that can be. $1.6 trillion in new tax revenues and raising jobless benefits? Maybe it's just me, but I have a hard time following their logic.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23095 posts
3rd Dec '12
Quoting Bangtail:" I'm amazed that our government would even consider giving him so much power with raising the debt ceiling, ... [snip!] ... trillion in new tax revenues and raising jobless benefits? Maybe it's just me, but I have a hard time following their logic."


Yes, and the media will continue to promote our president and his agenda and make the Rs look bad when they are basically just trying to hold the line and keep things from going deeper in the doo-doo.