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P Pickle Pants 98 kids; California 20522 posts
16th Nov '12
Quoting the grace life:" I'm doing a terrible job at staying out of this...:lol: I disagree whole heatedly on this. I don't ... [snip!] ... vilainize our President is disheartening. I desire good things for our country, and Americans, despite who the President is. "

AMEN!



I DO like Obama (sue me!) but the President is not responsible for every single bad thing that happens in a country during his or her term. I couldn't stand Bush at all, but I was NEVER glad when people lost their homes or their jobs to make him look bad. I never rejoiced in any of his shortcomings.



That's just SICK.

Phallus Cranium fuknutz, NM, Togo 103283 posts
16th Nov '12
Quoting the grace life:" I hope not. I voted third party, but I'd never wish total collapse on my country just to get it. Honestly, that makes me sick to my stomach. "

this

......... nowhere, NW, United States 25972 posts
16th Nov '12
Quoting Emmy's Mom:" My husband took several pay cuts before eventually being laid off. I'm going to have to vote on the employees ... [snip!] ... did they lose their job, but everyone else's who was trying to work with the company. I could be wrong on that part though."


How are they being greedy when they were taking a CUT, not asking for a raise?
The big guys were being greedy.

khigh 1 child; Fort Sill, Oklahoma 8101 posts
16th Nov '12
Quoting the grace life:" I hope not. I voted third party, but I'd never wish total collapse on my country just to get it. Honestly, that makes me sick to my stomach. "

It's the only way. Either complete collapse of our economic system or total war. There is no other way for a complete overhaul of the Federal Government unless they can stop paying entitlement benefits.

......... nowhere, NW, United States 25972 posts
16th Nov '12
Quoting khigh:" It's the only way. Either complete collapse of our economic system or total war. There is no other way ... [snip!] ... war. There is no other way for a complete overhaul of the Federal Government unless they can stop paying entitlement benefits. "


Not this again...



Or stop paying so much on crap. Like new toys for the military, etc..
Even on a state level. They're wanting to build a 1.3 billion dollar transportation system. Meanwhile, our schools are failing and teachers are paying out of their OWN pockets for supplies.
Entitlement is not the problem.

P Pickle Pants 98 kids; California 20522 posts
16th Nov '12
Quoting khigh:" Oh, it sucks, but think about all of the promises made that are broken. Jobless rates were supposed ... [snip!] ... neither of them would have done a halfway decent job in the economy. We NEED a total collapse to bring about a third party."


Sorry, I don't agree with wishing the entire middle class into poverty just to get a "third party" (which, sorry, don't seem to be all that much better at the whole politics thing) in office. I'd much rather wish for the problems to be resolved by the person in office NOW so that no one needs to suffer longer or harder!



You're a sick twisted person.

JΔS Georgia 70894 posts
16th Nov '12
Quoting P Pickle Pants:" Sorry, I don't agree with wishing the entire middle class into poverty just to get a "third party" (which, ... [snip!] ... to be resolved by the person in office NOW so that no one needs to suffer longer or harder! You're a sick twisted person."


Again, I agree lol. This girl is a lunatic.

mamaluvsher4babies 36 kids; California 4230 posts
16th Nov '12
Quoting ~Ice Princess~:" Not this again... Or stop paying so much on crap. Like new toys for the military, etc.. Even on a ... [snip!] ... our schools are failing and teachers are paying out of their OWN pockets for supplies. Entitlement is not the problem."


I know here in Cali we keep paying more and more and more in taxes to schools. Nothing is changing. I honestly think the money is getting to them. As a country we pay much into our school systems and that is helping. I know teachers pay out of pocket, I hear about it forem my mom. My thought is schools need to also do fund raising. They dont do much here where I live. If i was a teacher..i would be doing fund raising every year to help my students. I would take it upon myself to get what my students need. Never depend on the Gov!! Thats for sure

JΔS Georgia 70894 posts
16th Nov '12
Quoting mamaluvsher4babies:" I know here in Cali we keep paying more and more and more in taxes to schools. Nothing is changing. ... [snip!] ... year to help my students. I would take it upon myself to get what my students need. Never depend on the Gov!! Thats for sure"


Where I'm from, the schools do a lot of fundraising but its just the same ol same ol. They are selling the same crap I was when I was in middle school. They need to keep things fresh and do fundraisers more than just one times a year.

Emmy's Mom 1 child; Indiana 1831 posts
16th Nov '12

<blockquote><b>Quoting ~Ice Princess~:</b>" How are they being greedy when they were taking a CUT, not asking for a raise? The big guys were being greedy."</blockquote>




Maybe greed isn't the right term? I just don't see why some pay isn't better than none?



Yeah it was probably inevitable, but at least bring home what you can until you can find new employment.



I've been in, and am in their situation. My husband and I deal with it because we don't have any other options right now. If others in his work protested and wouldn't take the pay cuts and my husband lost his job, I'd be furious and we would be screwed.

mamaluvsher4babies 36 kids; California 4230 posts
16th Nov '12
Quoting mamaluvsher4babies:" I know here in Cali we keep paying more and more and more in taxes to schools. Nothing is changing. ... [snip!] ... year to help my students. I would take it upon myself to get what my students need. Never depend on the Gov!! Thats for sure"



I mean the money is NOT getting to them

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 22817 posts
status 16th Nov '12

Wahoo! Hold out for higher pay and cause and entire company to close its doors! Way to go bakers union! I hope you feel great about yourselves!

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 22817 posts
status 16th Nov '12

<blockquote><b>Quoting ~Ice Princess~:</b>" How are they being greedy when they were taking a CUT, not asking for a raise? The big guys were being greedy."</blockquote>




It was a cut in the first year and subsequent raises. It was what was needed to save the company.... But they just voted for the unemployment line. The other unions approved the deal but not the bakers.

Vanilla MILFshake. 1 child; Georgia 5416 posts
16th Nov '12
Quoting mamaluvsher4babies:" Another one bites the dust! I am pissed about this one!! Prregnant women around the world are depressed :( lol http://money.cnn.com/2012/11/16/news/companies/hostess-closing/index.html?hpt=hp_t1"


It won't affect you. They're only closing 3 facilities, not like, doing away with the entire corporation. You'll still get your cakes. It does really suck for all those people being out of a job though. :cry:




Hostess Brands Inc. announced today that three company bakery facilities are being permanently shut-down as a result of a strike by the Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union. The union, which is a major Obama supporter, held-off a threatened strike until after the election, waiting until Friday to walk-off the job.
Hundreds of jobs will be lost at bakeries in Seattle, St. Louis and Cincinnati.
In a statement, Hostess Brands CEO Gregory F. Rayburn, said:




"Our customers will not be affected because we will continue to serve them from other Hostess Brands bakeries, but sadly this action will result in the permanent closure of three facilities and the loss of 627 jobs. We deeply regret this decision, but we have repeatedly explained that we will close facilities that are no longer able to produce and deliver products because of a work stoppage
khigh 1 child; Fort Sill, Oklahoma 8101 posts
16th Nov '12
Quoting Vanilla MILFshake.:" http://www.examiner.com/article/will-anyone-have-a-job-when-obama-is-inaugurated-more-layoffs-announced"


No. It's been changed and they are closing the whole company.



http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/11/16/hostess-brands-to-liquidate-lay-off-18500-after-crippling-union-fight/