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♥ Mama Kat ♥ Due May 31; 2 kids; NAPLES, ME, United States 9588 posts
20th Nov '12

When it came time to decide on vaccinating your child or not, did you research the diseases that the vaccines are said to help protect against?
Also if you chose to not vaccinate did you educate yourself on preventing infection?




*This just stems from a comment on a parenting page on FB.

MommyToWesley 1 child; Delaware 3847 posts
20th Nov '12

Yes. When it comes to my son's safety and security (not just with vaccinations- car seat safety, breatfeeding, circumcising, etc.) I research everything.
With important things like that, I don't see why anyone wouldn't.

Mama Kat ♥ Due May 31; 2 kids; NAPLES, ME, United States 9588 posts
20th Nov '12
Quoting MommyToWesley:" Yes. When it comes to my son's safety and security (not just with vaccinations- car seat safety, breatfeeding, ... [snip!] ... breatfeeding, circumcising, etc.) I research everything. With important things like that, I don't see why anyone wouldn't."


Thats what I'm saying. I was actually really shocked when a lot of women were saying in said post on FB that Hep B was transmitted soley through sex or drug use.
Some comments-
'It's pointless. Unless you infant is a drug user or having sex. LOL'



' Really no point unless your child is sharing needles or having sex.'



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MommyToWesley 1 child; Delaware 3847 posts
20th Nov '12
Quoting Katrina,Phia&Easton's Ma:" Thats what I'm saying. I was actually really shocked when a lot of women were saying in said post on ... [snip!] ... Unless you infant is a drug user or having sex. LOL' ' Really no point unless your child is sharing needles or having sex.' '"


Yeah I've heard that from a lot of older people especially. When the Hep B vaccine first came out, my mom didn't get any of us vaccinated for the exact reason you listed. :roll: I wasn't vaccinated for it until I was 19.

Mama Kat ♥ Due May 31; 2 kids; NAPLES, ME, United States 9588 posts
20th Nov '12
Quoting MommyToWesley:" Yeah I've heard that from a lot of older people especially. When the Hep B vaccine first came out, my ... [snip!] ... out, my mom didn't get any of us vaccinated for the exact reason you listed. :roll: I wasn't vaccinated for it until I was 19."


I'm all for parents making the choice not to but I think it is really important to know what causes it and how it can be spread.
My SO's step father has it and he certainly did not get it via either of those means and now he is trying to get a liver transplant because the experimental treatment he was on only made him even more sick

MommyToWesley 1 child; Delaware 3847 posts
20th Nov '12
Quoting Katrina,Phia&Easton's Ma:" I'm all for parents making the choice not to but I think it is really important to know what causes ... [snip!] ... means and now he is trying to get a liver transplant because the experimental treatment he was on only made him even more sick"


I completely agree. I vaccinate my son, but I research EVERYTHING before getting his vaccines. I respect those who don't vaccinate, as long as they have done research and make an educated decision.
I'm sorry to hear about your SO's step-father :( I hope his treatment goes well and that he is able to get the transplant.

Mama Kat ♥ Due May 31; 2 kids; NAPLES, ME, United States 9588 posts
20th Nov '12
Quoting MommyToWesley:" I completely agree. I vaccinate my son, but I research EVERYTHING before getting his vaccines. I respect ... [snip!] ... I'm sorry to hear about your SO's step-father :( I hope his treatment goes well and that he is able to get the transplant."


I vaccinate as well but I spent hours upon hours weighing pros and cons and that research also included the diseases/infections they are suppose to protect against. I just figured it was common sense but I guess not after reading that stuff lol



And thank you:), I'm hoping one day they can find a safe and effective treatment for it because its terrible to see what he has to put up with everyday. Its also really offensive when I see people talk about how its just a disease contracted by people who have mass amounts of unprotected sex or are drug users. He's a really great guy who happened to get it from someone not sterilizing properly.

Dr. Angelface 2 kids; California 8236 posts
26th Nov '12

so how did he get it? i was under the impression Hep B was only transmitted through blood or bodily fluids. is this not the case?

Mama Kat ♥ Due May 31; 2 kids; NAPLES, ME, United States 9588 posts
27th Nov '12
Quoting Dr. Angelface:" so how did he get it? i was under the impression Hep B was only transmitted through blood or bodily fluids. is this not the case?"


He did get it via blood. Fluids and blood are the mode of transportation, I was saying that these people were saying you only get it from having unprotected sex or drug use which obviously is not true. He got a tattoo in a place that clearly did not know how to properly sterilize equipment.
Anyone who comes in contact with infected blood has the chance of getting it.

justanothamotha Due January 20; 130 kids; Climax, Michigan 5120 posts
27th Nov '12
Quoting Katrina,Phia&Easton's Ma:" He did get it via blood. Fluids and blood are the mode of transportation, I was saying that these people ... [snip!] ... did not know how to properly sterilize equipment. Anyone who comes in contact with infected blood has the chance of getting it."

He really needs to report that then because currently publicly the last case of transmitted HBV via a licensed shop was in the 1950's.



Anyway - although your FIL isn't having sex randomly or using IV drugs - the fact is, his risk factor technically fits in with risk factor infants don't have - which is tattooing.



The predominant ways Hep B is spread is via IV drugs & sex...so it does not mean those people didn't do any research simply because that is what they reference. Infants arent' at risk unless thei rmothe rhas it generally speaking. Here is the CDC's list of risk factors for A, B & C



HEPATITIS A



  • Person-to-person contact
  • Poor personal hygiene
  • Poor sanitation
  • Unsafe sexual practices
  • Employment of contact with day care centers and healthcare institutions such
    as nursing homes
  • Street drug use


HEPATITIS B



  • Hemodialysis
  • Patients of custodial institutions for developmentally disabled
  • Exposure to blood/blood clot products
  • Needle-stick injury
  • Sexual activity with multiple (heterosexual or homosexual) partners
  • IV drug use
  • Infants of HBV-positive mothers
  • Tattooing
  • Body piercing


HEPATITIS C



  • Hemophilia
  • Hemodialysis
  • Organ transplant
  • IV drug use
  • Blood transfusion prior to 1992
  • Needle-stick injury
  • Tattooing
  • Body piercing
  • Sexual activity with multiple partners


IDk - I think you're looking for hair splitting really...who is going to say "really it's pointless unless your baby is on hemodialysis, is a patient of a custodial institution for developmentally disabled, exposed to blood/blood clot products, has a needle-stick injury, is involved in sexual activity with multiple (heterosexual or homosexual) partners, is an IV drug user, has a HBV-positive mother, OR gets tattooed or pierced." Who talks like that on FB? It's just a FB comment - don't pay it so much mind or take everything so literal.

Mama Kat ♥ Due May 31; 2 kids; NAPLES, ME, United States 9588 posts
27th Nov '12

<blockquote><b>Quoting justanothamotha:</b>" He really needs to report that then because currently publicly the last case of transmitted HBV via a ... [snip!] ... or pierced." Who talks like that on FB? It's just a FB comment - don't pay it so much mind or take everything so literal."</blockquote>




It happened in the 70's. He is also around them at least two days of the week doing things with them. He is a mechanic whose hands are chapped and cracked. While he dresses the wounds, there is always a chance no matter how small that he could infect someone.



My point was it has other ways of transport and you have to think about that when you chose not to vaccinate against it. Im not 'splitting




hairs' im simply saying there ARE other ways and I
as a parent would educate myself on that so that I am aware. Some of them even admitted they didn't realize how it all works



. I just assumed people understood but I guess not.. I asked this question to see if those that do research, research ways to prevent also. It just kind of turned into a Hepatitis B conversation because no one really replied.

justanothamotha Due January 20; 130 kids; Climax, Michigan 5120 posts
27th Nov '12
Quoting Katrina,Phia&Easton's Ma:" <blockquote><b>Quoting justanothamotha:</b>" He really needs to report that then because ... [snip!] ... research, research ways to prevent also. It just kind of turned into a Hepatitis B conversation because no one really replied."

Not at all. It *is* splitting hairs & I will explain.



The fact is that if my kids got Whooping Cough, you'd likely call it a "vaccine preventable disease"...would you not? Well - they did get it & they caught it from a fully vaccinated relative (and I do mean fully - as in all up to date with current schedule including a bonus shot less than a year prior in his DTaP for stitches he got). So he was up to date +1. Because of that, his own Dr misdiagnosed him because he never considered WC a possibility, then claimed him "not infectious" since he had been treated for his wrongfully diagnosed bronchitis. So he came to a large family gathering. After that time he got worse, went back & the Dr finally tested him & found he had WC & that was what he had all along. So what then? Every time I hear someone say "vaccine preventable disease" should I correct them to say that NO disease is vaccine preventable & that all it can do is reduce the risk of contracting it & *hopefully* reduce symptoms? Should I assume they really didn't do any research or don't know what they are talking about? A different relative's son got chicken pox despite being up to date as well.



Maybe it should go like "there is no such thing s as safe sex, just safer sex". "There is no such thing as VPD - just reducing your risks."



That is why I say it's splitting hairs. No one can speak in fully & elongated terms on every thing they comment on, especially a place like FB.



I wasn't meaning it to be a Hep B thing either. I am saying you are over-analyzing snippets of what people have said as more meaningful than they inherently are.

Mama Kat ♥ Due May 31; 2 kids; NAPLES, ME, United States 9588 posts
27th Nov '12
Quoting justanothamotha:" Not at all. It *is* splitting hairs & I will explain. The fact is that if my kids got Whooping Cough, ... [snip!] ... thing either. I am saying you are over-analyzing snippets of what people have said as more meaningful than they inherently are."


I understand.
I know that vaccines are only 'preventative medicine'. I know my kids are not 100% protected and above all else, a physician should know better than to assume that they are .



I guess maybe I was focused more on that then I should be but that group in particular consists of a lot of new moms who ask what vaccines they should/shouldn't get. I would really hope they wouldn't base a decision like that on what someone else thinks but I can't say they don't. A lot of those who tried to make a similar point to mine were jumped on for being 'unnatural' when the only thing said was research.



and yes I know, someone who has not seen said group would not understand where I am coming from anyway :)

justanothamotha Due January 20; 130 kids; Climax, Michigan 5120 posts
27th Nov '12
Quoting Katrina,Phia&Easton's Ma:" <blockquote><b>Quoting justanothamotha:</b>" He really needs to report that then because ... [snip!] ... research, research ways to prevent also. It just kind of turned into a Hepatitis B conversation because no one really replied."

Separate thing - what do you mean "research ways to prevent"? As in what specifically are you referencing that applies to only the prevention of VPD? How does that differ from prevention of all communicable diseases/infections? What should someone do differently that helps to prevent Hep B from what you should already be doing to prevent the spread of any blood-born communicable disease (like HIV or Hep C)? Wouldn't all parents always be doing the same stuff basically? I would think it is general common sense, like don't expose yourself (or your kids) to blood & bodily secretions of others as well as wash hands, cover your mouth when you cough, etc. To my knowledge (correct me if I am wrong) there is nothing "special" to do to prevent WC that shouldn't already be standard in trying to prevent other things as well, like bronchitis or the flu.

justanothamotha Due January 20; 130 kids; Climax, Michigan 5120 posts
27th Nov '12
Quoting Katrina,Phia&Easton's Ma:" I understand. I know that vaccines are only 'preventative medicine'. I know my kids are not 100% protected ... [snip!] ... said was research. and yes I know, someone who has not seen said group would not understand where I am coming from anyway :)"

If people are so silly that they ask a few people online what to do on such an important decision & then go with that, there isn't much you can do. I've asked opinions online before, but I never take them as what I will do - but instead I am looking to see if anyone is going to come up with anything I've never thought about or heard of before in some regard. Sometimes I have had someone say something that at least gave me a new area to look into (I am thinking personally about when my 1st was little & thankfully someone pointed me to Dr Harvey Karp's Happiest Baby on the Block. I didn't do a bunch of shenanigans with my colicky newborn because some stranger online told me to...but I did research him & found him to be a great resource. hopefully these mommas are just looking for the same type of stuff & will base parenting choices off much more than a few snippets some momma said on FB. If not, then heaven help their kids if that is how they are going to make major decisions. It does not bode well. And I take it back - when my newborn had colic I may have been desperate enough to try shenanigans. ;)