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Belle De Jour Due October 8 (boy); 2 kids; Kentucky 17903 posts
20th Nov '12
Quoting *X-scream Diva*:" So pretty much you have to have insurance for your family or your screwed."


Yeah that's kinda what I'm gathering. :?
So you have to pay for insurance either way?....So how is this helping the poor? Or anyone for that matter?

SpaceCowgirl Due December 21; 3 kids; Oregon 20240 posts
20th Nov '12

<blockquote><b>Quoting Uncle Obama's Banana:</b>" Yeah that's kinda what I'm gathering. :? So you have to pay for insurance either way?....So how is this helping the poor? Or anyone for that matter?"</blockquote>



I don't think it was ever meant to help the poor...or reduce costs.

Belle De Jour Due October 8 (boy); 2 kids; Kentucky 17903 posts
20th Nov '12
Quoting SpaceCowgirl:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Uncle Obama's Banana:</b>" Yeah that's kinda what I'm gathering. ... [snip!] ... the poor? Or anyone for that matter?"</blockquote> I don't think it was ever meant to help the poor...or reduce costs."


So what IS it meant for?

It's so Fluffayy! Due March 17 (girl); 19 kids; Texas 4279 posts
20th Nov '12

<blockquote><b>Quoting Uncle Obama's Banana:</b>" Yeah that's kinda what I'm gathering. :? So you have to pay for insurance either way?....So how is this helping the poor? Or anyone for that matter?"</blockquote>




I can just imagine with my family of 6 :/



Definitely not helping anything. Just more money in their pockets.

SpaceCowgirl Due December 21; 3 kids; Oregon 20240 posts
20th Nov '12

<blockquote><b>Quoting Uncle Obama's Banana:</b>" So what IS it meant for?"</blockquote>



Cover pre existing conditions.



It's meant to force everyone to be insured so that people can't run up bills at the ER and have everyone else pay for it. But like I said, the fine is so small that people are just going to drop their insurance and then grab insurance when they need expensive treatments.

Jaye Lynn 1 child; Mobile, Alabama 630 posts
20th Nov '12
Quoting SpaceCowgirl:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Lizplustwo:</b>" The reason they are making people pay who don't ... [snip!] ... to drop insurance, pay the fine, and hop back on insurance when they find out they have cancer and need expensive treatments."


Are they going to fine us per person or per married couple/family?

khigh 1 child; Fort Sill, Oklahoma 8101 posts
20th Nov '12
Quoting Uncle Obama's Banana:" So what IS it meant for?"


One step closer to Universal Health Care. People will complain that it is too expensive so government will take it over. It won't happen for awhile because there are already several governors telling the president to f**k off.

khigh 1 child; Fort Sill, Oklahoma 8101 posts
20th Nov '12
Quoting Jaye Lynn:" Are they going to fine us per person or per married couple/family?"



This breaks it down very well:



http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/how-much-is-the-obamacare-tax/



I've got that shit bookmarked!

SpaceCowgirl Due December 21; 3 kids; Oregon 20240 posts
20th Nov '12

<blockquote><b>Quoting Jaye Lynn:</b>" Are they going to fine us per person or per married couple/family?"</blockquote>



Pretty sure it's per family.

Jaye Lynn 1 child; Mobile, Alabama 630 posts
20th Nov '12
Quoting khigh:" This breaks it down very well: http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/how-much-is-the-obamacare-tax/ I've got that shit bookmarked!"

Thank You!:D

Carolann Loveridge 1 child; United Kingdom 1598 posts
21st Nov '12

I just read through this as I was curious . I was already greatful for the health care we have in England but reading this just make me more greatful for the NHS . What happening there just doesn't seem fair :/

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 22985 posts
21st Nov '12
Quoting khigh:" One step closer to Universal Health Care. People will complain that it is too expensive so government ... [snip!] ... will take it over. It won't happen for awhile because there are already several governors telling the president to f**k off."


It is also to drive the evil insurance companies out of business. Obviously that would happen with Universal HC, but the evil insurers have been put on notice that they will die a slow, painful death.

The big picture here is government control as the government knows better.

Please keep in mind that the bill does NOTHING to control costs. It is the escalating costs of care that have caused insurance prices to escalate. But, because many people dont think critically and believe what our president says AND other politicians are easily bribed and pressured, we have a reallly, really bad few years of healthcare to come. Hopefully, we will elect people that will get rid of this program before it's too late.

Oh and, i hope the lower-middle class likes being pushed down to Medicaid.

Oh and I hope all those people whose hours are cut to 29/wk can find a second job to make-up for their shortfall.

emerald01 1 child; Oregon 3943 posts
24th Nov '12
Quoting khigh:" If you work over 30 hours, they have to offer you insurance and pay for part of it. You do have ... [snip!] ... not yet told us what these requirements are. Medicare is being cut, so I believe that the requirements are being raised."


You are providing totally misinformation. Medicare isn't being cut. It's cut to insurance companies for procedures that aren't even being done. It helps Medicare by providing seniors with extra money for prescription drugs. Employers will have to provide insurance for workers with over 50 employees. They setup insurance exchanges so they can have reduced rates similar to what big corporations get. Their will be a small fine if they don't participate, because they will be needing medical services in the future and taxpayer have to cover the cost. Individuals will get a tax credit to cover the cost of insurance if they don't have insurance already. If you make over 50,000 then you will pay a fine if you don't have health insurance.

khigh 1 child; Fort Sill, Oklahoma 8101 posts
24th Nov '12

<blockquote><b>Quoting emerald01:</b>" You are providing totally misinformation. Medicare isn't being cut. It's cut to insurance companies ... [snip!] ... if they don't have insurance already. If you make over 50,000 then you will pay a fine if you don't have health insurance. "</blockquote>




You might want to go read the bill. I have.

emerald01 1 child; Oregon 3943 posts
24th Nov '12
Quoting khigh:" <blockquote><b>Quoting emerald01:</b>" You are providing totally misinformation. Medicare ... [snip!] ... you will pay a fine if you don't have health insurance. "</blockquote> You might want to go read the bill. I have."

I have too.