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MysticWitchKat 2052 posts
30th Nov '12
Quoting Mama❍Moon:" Which is too bad. I was always taught that cooperation is the key to success. "


Well the good point is that it makes us quite productive, and much easier to earn wealth outside of degrees if you want to. The bad side is it encourages a lot of selfish behavior in our country.

NopeNotGonnaDOIt 6 kids; Cuba 3000 posts
30th Nov '12
Quoting MysticWitchKat:" Well the good point is that it makes us quite productive, and much easier to earn wealth outside of degrees if you want to. The bad side is it encourages a lot of selfish behavior in our country."


Oh we still have selfish people here too, still very much a capitalist country in that sense however most people can't compete when a global franchise moves in. It may not make much of a difference in large cities but we only have a handful really large cities here. I remember when Wal-mart came to our city, so many local shops closed down. I remember our city before MacDonalds or any other fast food place moved in, things sure have changed. Sure lots of jobs but not as much local success.

khigh 1 child; Fort Sill, Oklahoma 8101 posts
30th Nov '12

<blockquote><b>Quoting MysticWitchKat:</b>" They don't spend nearly 1/2 a trillion dollars on a bloated military budget, which probably frees up some cash :-P."</blockquote>




That's because you have us to protect you.

khigh 1 child; Fort Sill, Oklahoma 8101 posts
30th Nov '12

<blockquote><b>Quoting Mama❍Moon:</b>" Lucky for you then! Must suck paying for all those millions on food stamps though eh? I think that ... [snip!] ... populated country though, not paying for as many dependants. But unlike some people I don't judge people needing assistance. "</blockquote>




It does suck, but luckily, I'm leaving the country in just over a month for a year, maybe permanently.

MysticWitchKat 2052 posts
30th Nov '12
Quoting khigh:" <blockquote><b>Quoting MysticWitchKat:</b>" They don't spend nearly 1/2 a trillion ... [snip!] ... military budget, which probably frees up some cash :-P."</blockquote> That's because you have us to protect you."

I'm not canadian :-P.

khigh 1 child; Fort Sill, Oklahoma 8101 posts
30th Nov '12
Quoting MysticWitchKat:" I'm not canadian :-P."

Thought it was another poster! :)

user banned 3 kids; Ontario 10942 posts
30th Nov '12
Quoting Kayla [:)]♥:" I can totally understand the cuts, though I think it's bad timing and wont last long... But there is ... [snip!] ... Moms program, which help moms if they really need anything for babies... As far as I know, that funding isn't going to be cut."



That runs off of something else well here it does anyways. Here its a non profit organization. But yes for moms with kids under the age of 6 years old they will help you out if needed.



I dont think it will last either. lol It is bad timing, Although there is a lot of things I disagree with about welfare. I am iffy on this one. lol

user banned 3 kids; Ontario 10942 posts
30th Nov '12
Quoting Kayla [:)]♥:" I was on it 5 years ago, back when my SO lost a job (he worked 2 jobs and lost 1, long story) when I ... [snip!] ... them giving 2 years to moms who have had a baby, for "parental leave." THAT is something that needs to be cut. Seriously. :?"


Who gets 2 years?

user banned 3 kids; Ontario 10942 posts
30th Nov '12
Quoting Kayla [:)]♥:" Ontario Works told me that I didn't need to find a job for 2 years to the date of my sons birth, and ... [snip!] ... for children until then... Though, perhaps it has been cut already. It was 4 years ago, and I was only on it for 3-4 months."


Never heard of that. lol



But on that note ontario works allows moms to stay home for 4 yrs not 2 yrs. I thought you ment paid parental leave, like others were talking earlier. lol



But every person on ow gets money for their kids. depnding on where you live like where I am, it 200 per person for food a month, and then your shelter cost. Thats it. But all of that has nothing to do with the cuts, they only cut the startup funds, to move and buy extra items you cant afford.



Now ow does pay your first baby bonus money till your baby bonus application goes through, but that it.

TheSugarComa 3 kids; Joliette, Quebec 11164 posts
30th Nov '12

I was wondering what all these programs were and realised that the Quebec system is rather different. I think cuts are going to be necessary. Even here, there are deficits everywhere that sure wont fix themselves and since people are already bitching about the taxes, then its obvious some services will have to go.



We have stopped giving baby bonuses in the 1990's for a new birth. We have tax returns for children and food assistance for pregnant women in financial difficulties. The baby bonuses turned out to be negative here as the only people who were really interested in the money bonus werent people who had the money to support those children in the long run. Sad but true. I went to school with kids whose parents had children to get bonuses :? And they were proud to mention it when you talked about their large families.....



I think that we just need to feel fortunate that we live in our country and get involved in volunteer and charity work if we want to help the community. Just throwing money at everyone is not a solution which i have the impression we have been using for a couple of years. There are issues that need solving at the root cause, and not just a cheque to hope that they will leave.

user banned 3 kids; Ontario 10942 posts
30th Nov '12
Quoting TheSugarComa:" I was wondering what all these programs were and realised that the Quebec system is rather different. ... [snip!] ... a couple of years. There are issues that need solving at the root cause, and not just a cheque to hope that they will leave."


Here baby bonus pays up to 4 kids, after that its a default amount of 50.00 bucks. lol
I have never met anyone who had kids just to get money. I dont actually believe that ppl really do that. lol Not where I live. Here baby bonus is for every parent. My parents maid 300.000 a year and got baby bonus, they clearly didnt need it, but its something that most ppl got. kwim?

user banned 3 kids; Ontario 10942 posts
30th Nov '12
Quoting Kayla [:)]♥:" I think I jumped from 400 dollars a month (to cover my half of the rent, and food for myself, to 900 ... [snip!] ... told that certain funds was there to help me, and to think of it more like a loan. I dunno. Maybe I just misunderstood. LOL"


the money they give to cover baby bonus, what they do is give it to you up front and baby bonus themselves pay it back to ow. Ow sends them the amount that they gave you and they give it back to them straight up...kwim?



900 is still the avarage amount to get. rent included. Like you get 200 for food per person, up to a certain amount. then your rent money on top.

TheSugarComa 3 kids; Joliette, Quebec 11164 posts
30th Nov '12
Quoting crazy coupon lady:" Here baby bonus pays up to 4 kids, after that its a default amount of 50.00 bucks. lol I have never ... [snip!] ... My parents maid 300.000 a year and got baby bonus, they clearly didnt need it, but its something that most ppl got. kwim?"


It was for every parent, but Im very sorry to point out that if you make a substantial amount of money each year, you dont have a 3rd kid to get 4000. That is what was happening. At every kid, the governement gave more



for example, this is your first you get 1000, second 2500 etc etc. You can imagine that the people having their 5th were rather excited to see that amount. Its awfully tacky. Not everyone with five kids thought like that but id led to the creation of very large families who live with barely nothing, where kids are sent to school with a rotten apple and a kick on their ass. It is why I like the idea of an income tax return based on your income and the number of kids you have becasue you have to work a minimum to be elligible. Im all for helping the kids though and offering free breakfasts (we have something here called le Club des petits-dejeuner) where they supply breakfast for undervpriviledged kids trough donations, volunteer work and some governement funding. TO me that is more useful than just sending checks. It forges a society based on helping and not just on receiving some funds once in a while.

TheSugarComa 3 kids; Joliette, Quebec 11164 posts
30th Nov '12
Quoting Kayla [:)]♥:" I've always been told that they stopped the monthly payments because people would rather 7 dollar a day daycare :?"


The program stopped in the early 1990's, 5$ a day day care was implemented in the late 1990's. They are now 7, and have made the province money which we pay back in part to the federal governement. (1997 when they project was started to be exact under another governement). It has its perks..and its very hard to get in one of those large governement daycares. We can get money back though at income tax time if we pay full price for a regular daycare. You still have be able to fork up the money per kid until then

user banned 3 kids; Ontario 10942 posts
30th Nov '12

<blockquote><b>Quoting TheSugarComa:</b>" It was for every parent, but Im very sorry to point out that if you make a substantial amount of money ... [snip!] ... useful than just sending checks. It forges a society based on helping and not just on receiving some funds once in a while."</blockquote>




See here its not that amount the most you get is 390 a kid up to 3 any after that is a lower amount up to 4 then a lower amount etc....if it was.1000 a kid I could.see.why they would do it. Lol