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TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23130 posts
23rd Dec '12
Quoting MX23:" lol maybe. i just figured since i was everyone else was to but maybe not even tho they say they are"


It also depends on the region, the culture in the school/community and the age.
Sex between 17/18 yr olds is much different than 14 yr olds. Approaches in sex ed will have different impact on those age groups, too.

MysticWitchKat 2052 posts
23rd Dec '12
Quoting The Doctor:" Abstinence does not mean until marriage. IMO, of course."


That's the general goal of most programs however, lets be honest with ourselves.

The Doctor 2 kids; Whiskey Dick Mountain, WA, United States 59940 posts
status 23rd Dec '12
Quoting MysticWitchKat:" That's the general goal of most programs however, lets be honest with ourselves."


Yes, and as I said, I am 100% against abstinence ONLY education. What I would like to see is a balanced approach where both abstinence and all birth control and STD prevention methods are discussed.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23130 posts
23rd Dec '12
Quoting MysticWitchKat:" No one sits in health class suddenly filled with knowledge over abstinence and decides they are suddenly ... [snip!] ... choice on their own with or without the class. And it's not lots and lots. At most only 5 percent of people wait that long."


?? who is REALLY talking about waiting until marriage. Sure, some approaches specify that but most that are pushing abstenance are just trying to buy some time until the kid is at least a bit more mature. Whether they can "buy" 6 months or 2 years is debatable, but in many cases, the delay is helpful.

It is NOT the goal of most programs.

Tarynosaurus Rex San Antonio, Texas 1271 posts
23rd Dec '12
Quoting TheNuge:" ?? who is REALLY talking about waiting until marriage. Sure, some approaches specify that but most ... [snip!] ... can "buy" 6 months or 2 years is debatable, but in many cases, the delay is helpful. It is NOT the goal of most programs. "


There isn't a kid on earth who decides not to have sex simply because their health teacher told them not to. If someone is going to have sex they're going to do it regardless of what their school is telling them. If someone has made the decision not to have sex it usually starts at home with their guidance and beliefs, or it is a decision that the individual has made themselves and it has nothing to do with school.

MysticWitchKat 2052 posts
23rd Dec '12
Quoting TheNuge:" ?? who is REALLY talking about waiting until marriage. Sure, some approaches specify that but most ... [snip!] ... can "buy" 6 months or 2 years is debatable, but in many cases, the delay is helpful. It is NOT the goal of most programs. "

And you have facts to prove that?

MX23 Japan 674 posts
23rd Dec '12
Quoting Tarynosaurus Rex:" There isn't a kid on earth who decides not to have sex simply because their health teacher told them ... [snip!] ... their guidance and beliefs, or it is a decision that the individual has made themselves and it has nothing to do with school."


so true plus when someone tells me not to do something most of the time im gonna do it. i didnt decide to have sex cuz of any class. it just happened one day. i knew all the consequences to.
TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23130 posts
23rd Dec '12
Quoting Tarynosaurus Rex:" There isn't a kid on earth who decides not to have sex simply because their health teacher told them ... [snip!] ... their guidance and beliefs, or it is a decision that the individual has made themselves and it has nothing to do with school."


Oh, I'm not saying the health teacher's course content determines what the kid decides. It's just a factor. If the healthy, positive role-model adults and older kids in the kid's life are all leaning or pushing in one direction and/or giving them factual info (not "just do as i say," and not "God will punish you), the kid has a better chance of making better choices about sex and other important matters.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23130 posts
23rd Dec '12
Quoting MysticWitchKat:" And you have facts to prove that?"


The facts to prove what?

Tarynosaurus Rex San Antonio, Texas 1271 posts
23rd Dec '12
Quoting TheNuge:" Oh, I'm not saying the health teacher's course content determines what the kid decides. It's just a ... [snip!] ... and not "God will punish you), the kid has a better chance of making better choices about sex and other important matters. "


My high school was abstinence only and they were big on pushing for "waiting until marriage'. Nevermind those who are not allowed by law to marry (gay people for instance), those who never wish to be married etc. Now that I look back on it knowing everything I know now, it kind of infuriates me how my school handled sex ed. They lied to us about STDs. Told us HPV always causes warts, that it never ever goes away, told us you can get pregnant at any time in your cycle, etc. It was just a bunch of bullshit.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23130 posts
23rd Dec '12
Quoting Tarynosaurus Rex:" My high school was abstinence only and they were big on pushing for "waiting until marriage'. Nevermind ... [snip!] ... that it never ever goes away, told us you can get pregnant at any time in your cycle, etc. It was just a bunch of bullshit."


Sounds like they need to revamp the program.

also, people need to spread the word to ADULTS that you can get pregneant while BFing. Lots of bad info out there from a variety of sources.

The Doctor 2 kids; Whiskey Dick Mountain, WA, United States 59940 posts
status 23rd Dec '12
Quoting Tarynosaurus Rex:" My high school was abstinence only and they were big on pushing for "waiting until marriage'. Nevermind ... [snip!] ... that it never ever goes away, told us you can get pregnant at any time in your cycle, etc. It was just a bunch of bullshit."


I can totally see how that is kind of shady... but it is true. Most women do ovulate between periods, but some ovulate at different times of their cycle, and therefore (technically) you can get pregnant at any point during your cycle. Including when you have your period.

Tarynosaurus Rex San Antonio, Texas 1271 posts
23rd Dec '12
Quoting The Doctor:" I can totally see how that is kind of shady... but it is true. Most women do ovulate between periods, ... [snip!] ... cycle, and therefore (technically) you can get pregnant at any point during your cycle. Including when you have your period."


They taught us nothing about ovulation though. And they didn't tell us that getting pregnant at *any* point in your cycle is pretty rare. Like I had no clue what ovulation was until after I was already out of high school. I didn't know when the prime time to get pregnant was, I really knew nothing about how conception went down. I learned it all on my own from online forums and such. Pretty ridiculous when your school won't even teach you what your own body does.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23130 posts
23rd Dec '12
Quoting The Doctor:" I can totally see how that is kind of shady... but it is true. Most women do ovulate between periods, ... [snip!] ... cycle, and therefore (technically) you can get pregnant at any point during your cycle. Including when you have your period."


And, sometimes a period isnt really a period. and, sometimes cycles are very irregular.
Better education of cycles with the caveat that "you never know," would have been a better approach.

MX23 Japan 674 posts
23rd Dec '12
Quoting TheNuge:" Sounds like they need to revamp the program. also, people need to spread the word to ADULTS that you can get pregneant while BFing. Lots of bad info out there from a variety of sources."


whats bfing?