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Donna Jo Tanner 1 child; Beach Haven, New Jersey 6440 posts
6th Dec '12

<blockquote><b>Quoting khigh:</b>" Oh, and DD was the one that told me that Santa isn't real. They teach logic in her school and one of their discussions was over Santa and if he was logical. She's in Kindergarten. "</blockquote>




I think this is the best thing said all night!
I wouldn't want my kid believing in something that if you think about just makes us as humans look dumb.
There is no logical way for a man to FLY in a sleigh powered by REINDEER and visit all the kids in the world in one night.

Mom of Tristan/Rayah/Keat 3 kids; Alberta 2068 posts
6th Dec '12

<blockquote><b>Quoting khigh:</b>" Oh, and DD was the one that told me that Santa isn't real. They teach logic in her school and one of their discussions was over Santa and if he was logical. She's in Kindergarten. "</blockquote>




Hmm I'm pretty sure I said in my first post that my son learnt at a early age he wasn't real. He hasn't believed in Santa in years. But I still raised him with the belief.



Raising children with beliefs isn't lieing. Alot of people raise their children to believe in Jesus. He can be make believe as well. But that is a whole other topic.



But like I said before I don't think I'm lieing but if you think you are then that is your deal that you have to live with.



By the way stop throwing the dictionary at me I understand the definition of lieing.

Donna Jo Tanner 1 child; Beach Haven, New Jersey 6440 posts
6th Dec '12

<blockquote><b>Quoting Mom of Tristan/Rayah +1:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting khigh:</b>" Oh, and DD was the one that told me that Santa ... [snip!] ... your deal that you have to live with. By the way stop throwing the dictionary at me I understand the definition of lieing."</blockquote>




The difference is ppl who teach their children about Jesus actually believe he is real, where with Santa I'm sure 98% of parent dont believe he is real and still teach their kids about him.

khigh 1 child; Fort Sill, Oklahoma 8101 posts
6th Dec '12
Quoting Mom of Tristan/Rayah +1:" <blockquote><b>Quoting khigh:</b>" Oh, and DD was the one that told me that Santa ... [snip!] ... your deal that you have to live with. By the way stop throwing the dictionary at me I understand the definition of lieing."


Then, if you know the definition of lying, you would LOGICALLY know you are lying. Bright, big, bold-faced lie.



And, if you BELIEVE that Jesus is real and you tell your children that, it isn't a lie. Again, a lie is an INTENTIONALLY false statement.



It doesn't seem like you ever learned logic. You might want to check into that.

Crystallized Due February 24; 1 child; California 431 posts
6th Dec '12

It's a lie.
There was St. Nick and yadda yadda, but we all know that St.Nick isn't sneaking into our homes putting gifts under the tree. If you tell someone something that isn't the truth, no matter how great it makes them/you feel, it's still a lie. There shouldn't even be a debate about that.



That being said, I don't hold a grudge against people who "do" Santa. It's all in good fun. My son is only 22 months, so I have time before I even have to really worry about the whole Santa issue.

624582 Neilton, Washington 9312 posts
7th Dec '12

We lie about Santa, I feel no guilt. Whatev.



I'm going to turn this into one of those "My parents did it to me and I turned out fine" situations. I got great joy out of baking cookies for Santa and waking to see "he" ate them, left presents, and a note.



I was disappointed when I found out Santa wasn't real, but quickly got over it. I believe I was 7 or 8 when I found out? The bullshit that my step mother pulled the year I found out Santa wasn't real traumatized me far more than finding out the fat man in suit really wasn't sneaking into my house, via the mail slot.

Ryloonjimama Australia 18851 posts
7th Dec '12

I don't feel like it's a lie, honestly. It's just make-believe, it's all in good fun and it just feels more magical seeing their faces light up when they think Santa has come. It's not hurting anyone.



People who say they were scarred from finding out Samta wasn't real had a whole lot of other issues going on in their childhood, IMO.

624582 Neilton, Washington 9312 posts
7th Dec '12
Quoting Ryloonjimama:" I don't feel like it's a lie, honestly. It's just make-believe, it's all in good fun and it just feels ... [snip!] ... who say they were scarred from finding out Samta wasn't real had a whole lot of other issues going on in their childhood, IMO."


There are times I wonder just how fucked up one expects their child to be if they lied about Santa. I mean, if you don't want to then that is fine, but I can't imagine how deeply it would affect a child. Perhaps it's because lying about Santa is a common thing, but I've never heard anyone complain about their parents lying to them about Santa.

Mrs. Post-tato Head 4 kids; 1 angel baby; 6794 posts
7th Dec '12
Quoting 624582:" There are times I wonder just how fucked up one expects their child to be if they lied about Santa. ... [snip!] ... lying about Santa is a common thing, but I've never heard anyone complain about their parents lying to them about Santa. "


Honestly, my brother SWORE he saw Santa in his sleigh, reindeer and all when he was like 7 years old. He deeply believed in Santa and I think he was like 14 years old when my mom let slip Santa wasn't real, obviously thinking the kid already knew, and my brother was crushed. Even at 14. I know 14 is a little old to believe in Santa, but my brother was 110% sure he saw Santa, like really saw him, for a good several minutes, so honestly it sucked for him and my mom felt bad... It was funny as shit and I still tease him about it, but she felt bad.



That's the most "harm" I've ever seen done from "lying" about Santa...



Again, I don't think telling your kids there IS a Santa is going to cause harm, but I think you should go with what the kid thinks too. Like I know my oldest is way to f**king logical to believe in Santa, but my daughter, now she's a "dreamer" so she would totally buy it. I'm not going to go out of my way to convince my oldest that Santa is real, just like I'm not going to go out of my way to tell my daughter he's not. Eh.

624582 Neilton, Washington 9312 posts
7th Dec '12
Quoting Mrs. Post-tato Head
Mrs. Post-tato Head 4 kids; 1 angel baby; 6794 posts
7th Dec '12
Quoting 624582:" How sad and humorous at the same time. I completely agree with going with what your child believes. ... [snip!] ... that he questions Santa I will be honest with him. I'm okay with lying about Santa now, but I couldn't keep up the lie forever."


That's how I did it too. I let them see Santa and decide what to think for themselves, but when my four year old says, "That's just a guy in a Santa suit..." well... "Yeah son. It is." LMAO

user banned 3 kids; Ontario 10942 posts
7th Dec '12
Quoting Mrs. Post-tato Head
Blaine Edwards 1 child; Georgia 13858 posts
7th Dec '12

yeah, i guess technically it's a lie, but dd still believes and will continue to until she's old enough to start adding things up. i have no guilt about it.
i've never known a kid that was traumatized for life because his/her parents baked cookies with them for santa, left carrots for reindeer and woke up to a pile of gifts from st. nick the next morning.

user banned 3 kids; Ontario 10942 posts
7th Dec '12
Quoting Blaine Edwards:" yeah, i guess technically it's a lie, but dd still believes and will continue to until she's old enough ... [snip!] ... baked cookies with them for santa, left carrots for reindeer and woke up to a pile of gifts from st. nick the next morning."


I know 3 sisters who were traumatized over, and 100% truth they hated their mom for lying to them, and after that they never listen to a word their mom said. lol



They were 8,9,10 yrs old. I used to babysit them, before they went to live with their dad.

Emmiboo 1 child; United Kingdom 3270 posts
7th Dec '12

Santa WAS real. So it's not a total lie. He made and delivered little wooden toys to every child in his village, every christmas, somewhere in Europe hundreds of years ago, that is where the story originated, I will always make sure my kids know about the real Santa. I don't mind the magical Santa story either but if my kids ask I won't lie. I will tell them about the real Santa. I think it's nice that they hear about a normal guy with no special powers, doing something so lovely for others. It makes them realise you don't need magical elves and stuff to be so nice. Still the magical elf story is fun but I will make sure they know it's just for fun.