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baby - as a word in relation to pregnancy/birth justanothamotha Due January 20; 130 kids; Climax, Michigan 5120 posts
9th Dec '12

Okay - I hear all the time in abortion debates the topic of the use of the word "baby".



What I see is pro-lifers calling all unborns "baby" - and generally all pro-lifers trying to correct that saying it is a "fetus".



But if we are talking technical medical terminology & correct medical terms - then all post birth babies are either neonates (under 28 days old) or infants from 28 days to 1 yr. Baby, while being a common term, is not technically a medical definition of a born person under a year old - "neonate" or "infant" is.



And I get it that when pro-lifers say "baby" it is generally an attempt to guilt or whatever - but frankly I think you can call a fetus or born infant a baby & it makes no difference & I am not sure why it gets people pucker butted.



I am, BTW, pro-choice, not that it matters for the sake of this debate.



So what is YOUR take on the use of the word baby & why....?

Sofie+#2 Due March 18; TTC since Jun 2014; 1 child; Sheffield, So, United Kingdom 7730 posts
status 9th Dec '12

I agree with everything you just said.
I think it probably makes it easier to abort when you take away the word baby and refer to it as an embryo or fetus. It's taking away focus that the embryo would develop into a lovely little baby, which I think I would have to do if I were to abort. It's kind of depersonalising it - I don't think there's anything wrong with this, by the way. 100% pro choice right hurr.

de--activated Andorra 715 posts
9th Dec '12

I guess it's the circumstance a person decides to use it and for what. If the person decides to keep the baby even being pro choice they would announce to others "We're having a baby" not "We're having a neonate" or We're having an infant" now if the women decides she doesn't want to keep going with the pregnancy, she would relate the pregnancy as not a baby, it's just fetus or embryo and that's where I find it confusing. It's only to the womens necessity, whether she believes it's situation or a gift. Especially when a women goes in for her first ultrasound only being weeks early, the OB/Gyno is showing you and she'll say "Look that's your baby!" or "Can you see your baby?" Depends on the event how the women perceives it. I'm pro-life by the way.

justanothamotha Due January 20; 130 kids; Climax, Michigan 5120 posts
9th Dec '12

Kind of OT of course, but I have had recurrent loss & in my medical chart they list it as "habitual aborter". Nice eh? I about shat myself when I read it....as no one explained to me what the term meant. AND I find it extra annoying to even be labelled at all as anything because we've had testing & the only conclusion they came to is that it is an issue with Dh, not me...so I still get listed that way regardless & his chart says NOTHING. I think it should at least say spermicus crapicus or something. LOL

Sofie+#2 Due March 18; TTC since Jun 2014; 1 child; Sheffield, So, United Kingdom 7730 posts
status 9th Dec '12

<blockquote><b>Quoting grizzy:</b>" I guess it's the circumstance a person decides to use it and for what. If the person decides to keep ... [snip!] ... "Look that's your baby!" or "Can you see your baby?" Depends on the event how the women perceives it. I'm pro-life by the way."</blockquote>




That's more a social norm than anything else (doc referring to it as a baby).

Sofie+#2 Due March 18; TTC since Jun 2014; 1 child; Sheffield, So, United Kingdom 7730 posts
status 9th Dec '12

<blockquote><b>Quoting justanothamotha:</b>" Kind of OT of course, but I have had recurrent loss & in my medical chart they list it as "habitual ... [snip!] ... listed that way regardless & his chart says NOTHING. I think it should at least say spermicus crapicus or something. LOL"</blockquote>




Lmao!



I guess it's because a miscarriage is a spontaneous abortion, but that is such an awful sounding term :?

♥Manda♥ Sunnydale, CA, United States 29458 posts
9th Dec '12

to me a baby is a term that can be used from conception to around 2yrs old.



I consider an unborn to be a baby aswell as a fetus. I considered the child i CHOSE to abort a baby, and i still dont think i'm a baby killer. A baby is just a term...

1 child; Houston, Texas 850 posts
9th Dec '12

Doesn't the heart start beating after 20-something days? That's why i would call it a 'baby'.... Or am i wrong?

♥Manda♥ Sunnydale, CA, United States 29458 posts
9th Dec '12
Quoting kenℓeigh's mama:" Doesn't the heart start beating after 20-something days? That's why i would call it a 'baby'.... Or am i wrong?"


heart doesnt start beating until like 6-8 weeks

1 child; Houston, Texas 850 posts
9th Dec '12
Quoting Manda♥Bella:" heart doesnt start beating until like 6-8 weeks"

Really that long??? Huh...

justanothamotha Due January 20; 130 kids; Climax, Michigan 5120 posts
9th Dec '12
Quoting Manda♥Bella:" to me a baby is a term that can be used from conception to around 2yrs old. I consider an unborn to ... [snip!] ... as a fetus. I considered the child i CHOSE to abort a baby, and i still dont think i'm a baby killer. A baby is just a term..."

That's where I am with it.



I also get annoyed that whenever I have an u/s they ask me how many time si have been pregnat, how many living children I have, how many abortion, how many miscarriages...and the reason I am annoyed is that they NEVER ask details regarding the miscarraiges, as in - did I have a D&C or not, etc - which would be the ONLY reason to ask about natural or elective abortion, because the assumption is that an elective abortion could cause damage (such as Asherman's syndrome) to the uterus potentially - but so can a D&C for spontaneous abortion....so i do get annoyed that they don't ask. I shouldn't I guess because I haven't actually had a D&C - but I guess I still think it is bias somehow NOT to ask.

justanothamotha Due January 20; 130 kids; Climax, Michigan 5120 posts
9th Dec '12
Quoting kenℓeigh's mama:" Really that long??? Huh..."

Week 6 http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/prenatal-care/PR00112
You can't hear it yet - not until about 10 weeks - but you can see it on u/s.

1 child; Houston, Texas 850 posts
9th Dec '12
Quoting justanothamotha:" Week 6 http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/prenatal-care/PR00112 You can't hear it yet - not until about 10 weeks - but you can see it on u/s."

Thanks :) But i was just sayin if there is a heartbeat (IMO) i would say/consider it a 'baby' but before that it's not really anything....? Not tryna bash anybody...to each her own :)
and it's 5:30am and i'm bored lol.

♥Manda♥ Sunnydale, CA, United States 29458 posts
9th Dec '12
Quoting justanothamotha:" That's where I am with it. I also get annoyed that whenever I have an u/s they ask me how many time ... [snip!] ... ask. I shouldn't I guess because I haven't actually had a D&C - but I guess I still think it is bias somehow NOT to ask."



I had a D&C for both an elective and spontaneous abortion so i agree. It can cause damage, i have endometriosis which i've been told could have been caused by them. I may never fall pregnant again and i have extreme periods that put me in hospital from the blood loss and pain.

Sofie+#2 Due March 18; TTC since Jun 2014; 1 child; Sheffield, So, United Kingdom 7730 posts
status 9th Dec '12

<blockquote><b>Quoting kenℓeigh's mama:</b>" Thanks :) But i was just sayin if there is a heartbeat (IMO) i would say/consider it a 'baby' but before ... [snip!] ... but before that it's not really anything....? Not tryna bash anybody...to each her own :) and it's 5:30am and i'm bored lol."</blockquote>



Scientifically/medically speaking, it is an embryo up to 11ish weeks, and a fetus until birth. Then a neonate until 28 day, then an infant.