homes cool Due July 25; 2 kids; 2 angel babies; Indiana 63165 posts
Feb 11th '13

4 months until I have a real washer/dryer again. :D I'm so happy DH did three loads by himself this morning, love that guy.

Mara Due September 27 (girl); 2 kids; San Francisco, California 38965 posts
Feb 11th '13
Quoting grace life:" No, I'm not less important or less of a person. That isn't what I mean at all. He doesn't treat me like that either, if he did I'd never have married him. "


that's why submission exists in the bible, b/c there's a power structure and the man is at the top.



implicit in the command to submit is the value of the person being asked to submit, why else should the wife be the ONLY one asked to submit?



why is there never cause for the husband to submit to his wife?



i know - for myself, that my brain functions in ways that are very valuable to counter how my man's works, we listen to each other and then weigh both viewpoints. submission is a horrible out-dated oppressive concept.



i'm not mocking you or your choice, either - i appreciate the fact you're being a normal person about this, but i am questioning whether you've really thought about what these sorts of scriptures imply about the entire half of the human race being commanded to submit to their husbands for no reason other than their vagina.

Stfu Squirrel District of Columbia 8560 posts
Feb 11th '13

I had my NT scan/1st Tri screening today and everything looks good as gold. My lil uterine leech even showed off a little, and we got to see all kinds of flips and waves and stuff.



AND even though it all looked perfect, I opted for the down syndrome blood test anyway, and then I found out that when we get the results of that, we'll also find out if it's a girl or boy because it's a dna test. So I'll know within 3 weeks.



And now I can finally admit to myself that I'm pregnant and most likely going to have another baby. And after having some time to mull the whole thing over, not knowing how things would look because of my "advanced maternal age," I am pretty stoked.



...and that Christian submission thing all seems very contrary to what I know about Jesus.



eta: What I have heard

Stfu Squirrel District of Columbia 8560 posts
Feb 11th '13

oh, and that's all here instead of where it ought to be because they're all nerds.

homes cool Due July 25; 2 kids; 2 angel babies; Indiana 63165 posts
Feb 11th '13
Quoting Mara:" that's why submission exists in the bible, b/c there's a power structure and the man is at the top. ... [snip!] ... about the entire half of the human race being commanded to submit to their husbands for no reason other than their vagina. "


I've thought about all of this.




Husbands are commanded to love their wives. I realize the immediate response to this is, "Um, duh, he's your husband." But as I've gotten to know Christ I've seen that the "love" command is so much more than what it appears. He's commanded to love me as Christ loved the church -- Christ died for the church. Christ put the church first. My husband is to put me first.



Does that always happen? Nope. My husband struggles with PTSD, and while it's not an excuse it certainly has made marriage challenging. I'm not a christian who desires to pretend like I have it all together. I have struggled with this "submissive" stuff. It is not in my nature, I'm actually a fiercely independent person (which is probably why I enjoyed it when he deployed.)



There's also another verse that talks about submitting to one another. Really, we should BOTH be putting each other first. Does that always happen? Absolutely not.



In a nutshell, that is why I have no problem with it & I embrace it as much as I can. I still struggle with the application of it :lol:, but I think I always will. If my husband ever started to treat me badly, or started to make choices without talking to me about them, or told me "This is the way, because I said so.." we'd be in counseling faster than he could even attempt to utter an apology. I don't play that game.

homes cool Due July 25; 2 kids; 2 angel babies; Indiana 63165 posts
Feb 11th '13
Quoting Stfu Shirley:" I had my NT scan/1st Tri screening today and everything looks good as gold. My lil uterine leech even ... [snip!] ... stoked. ...and that Christian submission thing all seems very contrary to what I know about Jesus. eta: What I have heard"


Glad everything is looking good!!

user banned 1 child; Portland, Maine 20613 posts
Feb 11th '13

To each their own. Isn't the point of feminism to put women on equal footing with men and allow them to make their own life choices? If a woman wants to honor their husband that doesn't make them any less of a person, especially if they chose to live that way. It doesn't affect anyone but them, it's not setting feminism back, it's how some families choose to have the dynamic. It's not forcing anyone else to live that way if they choose not to, but it doesn't seem very feminist to me to put down another woman for their choice on how the dynamic between them and their husband works.

♥ boop 17 kids; Montana 20753 posts
Feb 11th '13

Welp, I'm taking the DATS this spring, y'all!!!

Mara Due September 27 (girl); 2 kids; San Francisco, California 38965 posts
Feb 11th '13
Quoting grace life:" I've thought about all of this. Husbands are commanded to love their wives. I realize the immediate ... [snip!] ... way, because I said so.." we'd be in counseling faster than he could even attempt to utter an apology. I don't play that game. "


i don't see the point of the word submission, period. and there are many clear references to women submitting to their husband throughout the bible, whereas only one spot in the new testament in ephesians, which is actually in direct contradiction with a a future commandment to women to (yet again) submit to their husband.



now, coming from where i do - knowing the bible from cover to cover, having rejected it as a mess of a historical document, i can see this for what it is - a bad interpretation of a verse, hence the massive and striking contradiction to the typical biblical misogyny.



you seem like a really good sort of christian, who's trying to make the bible work in this modern crazy world that has nothing to do w/ the era of legalized rape and women as nothing more than slaves in which the bible was written ....




really, the bible would have you as a second class citizen. it's just the facts of it.
*shrugs* it's a lot of gymnastics, personally. that's why i quit trying.



we're all here trying to figure this life out together, when we choose a mate, we don't need to have external structures weighing on how we should best go about finding happiness together, we should be actively cultivating our own, for no one else - not even god (rhetorical), knows what it's like to be you w/ your husband as you two experience one another.

homes cool Due July 25; 2 kids; 2 angel babies; Indiana 63165 posts
Feb 11th '13
Quoting Mara:" i don't see the point of the word submission, period. and there are many clear references to women submitting ... [snip!] ... for no one else - not even god (rhetorical), knows what it's like to be you w/ your husband as you two experience one another."


*shrugs* I don't come on BG to try to change people's minds. I believe in God, Jesus Christ, and the Bible. It is what it is. I don't try to be fake, or pretend to be something I'm not. I don't understand it all, but I am trying to honor God the best way I can. This is part of that. I respect the ladies on here way too much to be preachy, or shove things down their throats that they don't believe in. I enjoy their company way too much to do that. They all know where I stand, so, it's cool.

homes cool Due July 25; 2 kids; 2 angel babies; Indiana 63165 posts
Feb 11th '13

Why did I cook a full meal after working today? I totally spaced that we had leftovers. :x Now I have to clean up after myself :roll:

user banned (boy); 2 kids; f**king, Austria 36337 posts
Feb 11th '13

greeaattttttt.



I'll spend dinner alone again. sure. awesome.

Mara Due September 27 (girl); 2 kids; San Francisco, California 38965 posts
Feb 11th '13
Quoting grace life:" *shrugs* I don't come on BG to try to change people's minds. I believe in God, Jesus Christ, and the ... [snip!] ... throats that they don't believe in. I enjoy their company way too much to do that. They all know where I stand, so, it's cool."


sorry, i'm not trying to change your mind - it might seem like i am, but it's more my case against the bible and the entire institution of all the religions (christianity, judaism, and islam) that would have women as little more than c*m dumpsters who take out the dumpster that makes me keep responding.




christianity's main text (and all those of the other three major world religions) are not cool w/ women being whole independent beings...

homes cool Due July 25; 2 kids; 2 angel babies; Indiana 63165 posts
Feb 11th '13
Quoting Mara:" sorry, i'm not trying to change your mind - it might seem like i am, but it's more my case against the ... [snip!] ... main text (and all those of the other three major world religions) are not cool w/ women being whole independent beings... "


I think I was rambling in my response. It's kind of cliche to say, "let's agree to disagree." :lol: But in essence, that is basically all we can do.

May♥ Due December 29; 1 child; Texas 9207 posts
Feb 11th '13

I'm starving! DQ for dinner tonight.