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Ellie. 2 kids; Arizona 25439 posts
Dec 19th '12
Quoting Tarynosaurus Rex:" It's not as simple as that."


It is though... that's how life works. I started out as a server and also worked as at Ben & Jerry's (both at once) , and have worked my way up through getting a college degree and now make decent money. One cannot expect to be handed a job and great pay for their first job. I agree that minimum wage should match living expenses, but there has to be a line between skilled and unskilled jobs.

Tarynosaurus Rex San Antonio, Texas 1271 posts
Dec 19th '12
Quoting TheNuge:" What makes it complicated?"


You're assuming that Wal-Mart hires anybody and everybody for one. That's not true. You're also assuming that people who work at Wal-Mart do so because they are unskilled. The job market sucks right now. My bf graduated from college 8 months ago and just now found a job in his field...in a different state.

Tarynosaurus Rex San Antonio, Texas 1271 posts
Dec 19th '12
Quoting Man. Bear. Pig.:" It is though... that's how life works. I started out as a server and also worked as at Ben & Jerry's ... [snip!] ... job. I agree that minimum wage should match living expenses, but there has to be a line between skilled and unskilled jobs."


Read my other response.

Ellie. 2 kids; Arizona 25439 posts
Dec 19th '12
Quoting Tarynosaurus Rex:" Read my other response."


Meh... I dont quite agree but I understand what you mean.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23152 posts
Dec 19th '12

<blockquote><b>Quoting Tarynosaurus Rex:</b>" You're assuming that Wal-Mart hires anybody and everybody for one. That's not true. You're also assuming ... [snip!] ... market sucks right now. My bf graduated from college 8 months ago and just now found a job in his field...in a different state."</blockquote>




I didn't assume they only hire unskilled. They are an employment option for people with no skills. They shouldn't hire anybody and everybody. They need standards.



Yes, the market sucks right now but in general, people work their way up. Nearly everyone has had their share of crappy jobs that they had to endure in order to get to the next level.



I'm glad your bf had the commitment to getting a job so much that he moved. That says a lot about him.

Tarynosaurus Rex San Antonio, Texas 1271 posts
Dec 19th '12
Quoting TheNuge:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Tarynosaurus Rex:</b>" You're assuming that Wal-Mart hires ... [snip!] ... get to the next level. I'm glad your bf had the commitment to getting a job so much that he moved. That says a lot about him."


I'm not saying pay them 100k/yr or anything, but at the very least they need to be paid enough to survive on, and minimum wage is simply not enough.



He hasn't moved yet. Actually he graduated from the University of Alabama in May/June and moved to Houston because his field is in high demand here. But he hasn't had any success and so he got offered a job back home in Alabama, so we're moving in a month or two. It's going to suck living in the south. But also not everyone is able to move for a job. Moving is expensive and most places don't pay you in advance to help pay for moving expenses.

Ellie. 2 kids; Arizona 25439 posts
Dec 19th '12
Quoting Tarynosaurus Rex:" I'm not saying pay them 100k/yr or anything, but at the very least they need to be paid enough to survive ... [snip!] ... is able to move for a job. Moving is expensive and most places don't pay you in advance to help pay for moving expenses."


We barely make enough to survive either. And we make decent money.



Tarynosaurus Rex San Antonio, Texas 1271 posts
Dec 19th '12
Quoting Man. Bear. Pig.:" We barely make enough to survive either. And we make decent money. "


For me growing up in poverty I just can't see how someone who makes like 100k/yr is unable to survive. That would have been considered wealthy to me.
Unless you live in like California or somewhere where the cost of living is insane.

Ellie. 2 kids; Arizona 25439 posts
Dec 19th '12
Quoting Tarynosaurus Rex:" For me growing up in poverty I just can't see how someone who makes like 100k/yr is unable to survive. ... [snip!] ... would have been considered wealthy to me. Unless you live in like California or somewhere where the cost of living is insane."


Yeah, when I say decent, we make about 50k a year.... which is not horrible, but it's not great. But yeah. if you cant make it on 100k, you're living outside of your means!

Tarynosaurus Rex San Antonio, Texas 1271 posts
Dec 19th '12
Quoting Man. Bear. Pig.:" Yeah, when I say decent, we make about 50k a year.... which is not horrible, but it's not great. But yeah. if you cant make it on 100k, you're living outside of your means!"


Even 50k is a lot to me, but I can see how a family might be just making it on that. I can't see how a single person would be living paycheck to paycheck on 50k though.

Ellie. 2 kids; Arizona 25439 posts
Dec 19th '12
Quoting Tarynosaurus Rex:" Even 50k is a lot to me, but I can see how a family might be just making it on that. I can't see how a single person would be living paycheck to paycheck on 50k though."


I have a guy friend who makes about that and he's always jetting off and taking vacations, etc. ha ha.

With 2 kids, cars, mortgage, utilities, food, insurance, phones, credit cards, etc... plus MY education.. it adds up quickly. :/ Not saying we're ALWAYS super smart with our money, but we try!

Tarynosaurus Rex San Antonio, Texas 1271 posts
Dec 19th '12
Quoting Man. Bear. Pig.:" I have a guy friend who makes about that and he's always jetting off and taking vacations, etc. ha ... [snip!] ... credit cards, etc... plus MY education.. it adds up quickly. :/ Not saying we're ALWAYS super smart with our money, but we try!"


Yeah I grew up with a single mother and 3 sisters. She pulled in about $10k-$12k a year. We were always poor. Like I couldn't even ask my mom for $5 for school field trips. It literally was too much for her to spare.

Ellie. 2 kids; Arizona 25439 posts
Dec 19th '12
Quoting Tarynosaurus Rex:" Yeah I grew up with a single mother and 3 sisters. She pulled in about $10k-$12k a year. We were always ... [snip!] ... We were always poor. Like I couldn't even ask my mom for $5 for school field trips. It literally was too much for her to spare."


:( I'm sorry you grew up that way. No one should have to

Tarynosaurus Rex San Antonio, Texas 1271 posts
Dec 19th '12
Quoting Man. Bear. Pig.:" :( I'm sorry you grew up that way. No one should have to"


It's a big reason why I hate when people b***h about people on welfare. Most of them are just trying to survive.

Ellie. 2 kids; Arizona 25439 posts
Dec 20th '12
Quoting Tarynosaurus Rex:" It's a big reason why I hate when people b***h about people on welfare. Most of them are just trying to survive. "


I have always been anti-welfare... until lately. My political views have changed, and I'm way more socially liberal. I believe that it's a necessity (although it sucks that people have to be in poverty to begin with).. BUT.... welfare needs a huge overhaul. I know there are people who genuinely need it. I have a friend who has been on for years, never worked a day in her life and keeps popping out kids. She is not doing it to cheat the system or anything... she's just really lazy. She finds sitters when she wants to go out, but never when she needs to work (I've known this girl for 17 years, so I know she's capable... just lazy).

It's reasons like that welfare recipients get a bad rap. Some people just need it to transition or to get back on their feet. Hell, when I was 17, I got on for about 4 months until I got my shit together, and got off. That's what it's there for... to help people.