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It's the mental "health care", stupid. user banned
17th Dec '12

Please (I'm asking nicely) don't make this debate about gun control. It's not about gun control Act like, for just a minute, Newtown didn't happen. Let's approach it without hurting hearts.


I have seen several people on BG talk about the lack of mental health care. Is this actually a problem, the way you see it? Have you known anyone that has not gotten the treatment they need? Why (if you know the reason) were they turned down for said care?


Do you feel that medications are overused. Do you think that psych meds do more harm than they* are letting on? Have you known anyone on meds in their younger years and then "flipped out", maybe committed suicide or acted out in another way?


You don't have to answer each of these questions individually, but I'd really like to see a good conversation, with as many of these questions answered or weighed in on, as possible.


You can read the article, but it may or may not sway your opinion on this. It didn't sway mine, it confirmed what I already thought.. The article is pretty long, just a warning.



http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/12/17/why-cant-america-care-for-mentally-ill/




Adam Lanza, 20, who killed 20 children and 6 adults on Friday, has brought incalculable grief to dozens of families and stunned our nation.
Now, the debate begins about what to do in the wake of his carnage in Newtown, Connecticut and the multiple murders in Aurora, Colorado and at Columbine High School, the Red Lake Indian Reservation in Minnesota and the West Nickel Mines School in Pennsylvania, Virginia Tech and Chardon High School in Ohio.
Some will say that gun control is the answer, but that ignores the obvious: Too many guns isn

Squeaky McGee [8 wks] Due May 7; 2 kids; 3 angel babies; Indiana 65202 posts
17th Dec '12

Mental health disorders are typically more prevalent among those of low socioeconomic status, therefore, they can't afford the continuous mental health care that they need. Another issue is medication non-compliance. The meds can't work if you don't take them. My uncle is schizophrenic. The voices tell him not to take his meds, so he doesn't. Unfortunately, he's been in the news a few times. Mental health disorders have a stigma. People that need help don't like to seek help in fear of what society will say. It's sad.



I don't know if that answers your question or not.

one of each 4 me Due January 8; TTC since Mar 2014; 3 kids; Ohio 6202 posts
17th Dec '12

i am a therapist and I find that there is a huge problem in funding. I actually teach at a college rather than do counseling b/c there aren't any jobs available because the agencies in my area lost their funding and had to let a lot of therapists go. I also believe that there is still too much of a stigma attached to people having a mental disorder. I try as hard as i can to instill in my students the belief that the person has a mental disorder but it does not define him or her and it is not contagious and they couldn't help it. Some people are afraid of taking their kids/themselves to therapy or to seek help b/c they are afraid they will look like a failure b/c they couldn't handle it on their own. Just a few of my thoughts I guess. I could go on and on

I'm me 4 kids; Kentucky 3109 posts
17th Dec '12

wow no time to read all of that, or interest to do so. However from the 1st part that I did read I believe that some meds are misused. Sometimes given to ppl or children when they are not appropriate or in place of other things such as therapy. Sometimes things other than meds may be more beneficial to work through problems instead of just taking meds and forgetting the cause of it. Don't get me wrong some ppl truly need meds, some need them but can not get them for various reasons.

user banned 4 kids; Mueang Phuket, Thailand 30487 posts
17th Dec '12

I think it is lack of care, andnot taking people seriously in their needs.




I also beleive pharmacueticals could be to blame.. My friend in HS committedsuicide and was severly depressed and on a slew of meds that did nothing but make it worse. Its terrible. My daughter has epilespy and i am seriously contemplating on takeing her off of them and using essential oils instead to treat her. Its all about money with meds.. Another pill to help the side effects of the first pill and so and so forth. Disgusting. I wasput on ans anti dperessent as a teen and it was terrible. I did more cutting then ever and stopped eating. I was better whien i stopped taking it and made my parents thing i was still taking it..

user banned 1 child; Nunya, CA, United States 6369 posts
17th Dec '12
Quoting Squeaky McGee:" Mental health disorders are typically more prevalent among those of low socioeconomic status, therefore, ... [snip!] ... help don't like to seek help in fear of what society will say. It's sad. I don't know if that answers your question or not."


It's a great start. I want all perspectives and any/all failures in the system...or the individual..that you may see.



Of course, not taking medication that you need would probably not be a great idea. I agree. But, you are saying people DON'T or WON'T get the help that they need for fear of being "labeled" ofr discriminated against or thought less of, right? Interesting angle and not one that I was thinking about.

Squeaky McGee [8 wks] Due May 7; 2 kids; 3 angel babies; Indiana 65202 posts
17th Dec '12
Quoting ☮ Phuket:" I think it is lack of care, andnot taking people seriously in their needs. I also beleive pharmacueticals ... [snip!] ... cutting then ever and stopped eating. I was better whien i stopped taking it and made my parents thing i was still taking it.."


That's the unfortunate thing about antidepressants. A lot of time the risk of suicide and self-harm increases, because the individual never had the energy to carry through with it before.

Legendary 2 kids; Beverly Hills, California 59667 posts
17th Dec '12

The problem in Canada. (And this is my opinion and very bias, as I work in law and not social work) is that there is no treatment for many mental illnesses, many of them cause paranoia to such a degree that if you are a little late taking your pill and it wears off you become too paranoid to take it. So you need to be institutionalized.



And even if we had the funding to provide that amount of care to people, how many parents are really going to institutionalize their children? I couldn't.

Legendary 2 kids; Beverly Hills, California 59667 posts
17th Dec '12

<blockquote><b>Quoting Squeaky McGee:</b>" That's the unfortunate thing about antidepressants. A lot of time the risk of suicide and self-harm increases, because the individual never had the energy to carry through with it before."</blockquote>




Excellent point, one that I hadn't even considered before.

SpaceCowgirl Due December 21; 3 kids; Oregon 20240 posts
17th Dec '12

I think we are over-diagnosing and over-medicating children who really don't need medication, which takes efforts away from those who are truly mentally ill.



Honestly, before last Friday, I'd hear of another shooting in a mall or theater or church and I'd think to myself, "Man, that guy must have been so angry to want to go hurt others like that." But after Friday, I realized these are not just angry people. Normal people who get angry don't feel the need to slaughter kindergartners.



I hope if any good comes out of these horrific events, it's that we take a good hard look at our mental health system and realize just how much we are lacking. Though, it will be difficult, because once you try institutionalizing those who really need help, people will start screaming that we're taking away their rights...

user banned 1 child; Nunya, CA, United States 6369 posts
17th Dec '12
Quoting one of each 4 me:" i am a therapist and I find that there is a huge problem in funding. I actually teach at a college rather ... [snip!] ... they will look like a failure b/c they couldn't handle it on their own. Just a few of my thoughts I guess. I could go on and on"


Okay, yeah, the article in the OP does point to "lack of care: which translated, to me, into "lack of funding". I think insurance companies don't want to pay this stuff. I think it's probably filtered through a bunch of bureaucratic red tape and then denied, in the end.



Have you seen anyone's psych meds "turn against them" (for lack of a better term) and resulted in a suicide or something like that?

Naturally Alternative 2 kids; 2 angel babies; Lafayette, Louisiana 6294 posts
17th Dec '12

I am diagnosed bipolar. I have gone without care for it for years because my gram couldn't afford the cost and my insurance didn't cover. Then I was kicked off the insurance after I turned 21 and couldn't afford insurance nor qualified for state insurance because I worked part time but couldn't afford not to work. ...

Legendary 2 kids; Beverly Hills, California 59667 posts
17th Dec '12
Quoting SpaceCowgirl:" I think we are over-diagnosing and over-medicating children who really don't need medication, which takes ... [snip!] ... once you try institutionalizing those who really need help, people will start screaming that we're taking away their rights..."


I'm not going to speak on that event, but the amount of violent rages in general that happen in the world is proof to me that we aren't diagnosing or medicating children often or early enough.



As I said I'm not a doctor or social worker and I work with a special breed of scum so I am very bias, but I truly believe that these issues need to be addressed very early, as early as first grade.



I think once we hit 20 or 25 it's pretty much too late because we've already laid a foundation of the type of person we are.

user banned 1 child; Nunya, CA, United States 6369 posts
17th Dec '12
Quoting Legendary Amanda:" The problem in Canada. (And this is my opinion and very bias, as I work in law and not social work) is ... [snip!] ... to provide that amount of care to people, how many parents are really going to institutionalize their children? I couldn't."


I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment. So much so, that I was nodding my head in agreement. This is the scenario that I believe to be true.



Ooooooh....whoops! No, I don't agree that MORE medication is needed. I just read your other post.



On one hand, I feel like it shouldn't go untreated if their really is needed treatment. On the other hand, I think we are trigger happy in handing out meds like candy.



I'm trying to find the sensible. middle ground.

Leisurely Duchess 1 child; Monterey, California 25884 posts
17th Dec '12

Columbine happened primarily because of anti-depressant use with teens. Other instances of extreme violence and teens have also been linked to antidepressant use.



But Adam wasn't a teen. And he didn't show obvious symptoms to anyone around him that he required psychiatric treatment. This is typical with spree killers, especially the more intelligent ones who can much more easily pass for "normal". It's incredibly difficult to predict who will snap and when. People thought Adam was smart and nice, but quiet and had an unfortunate family history.



I don't take any opinion from Faux News seriously. Especially when they seem to think it was caused by secularization.