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eKnuckles Due February 13; Florida 3473 posts
3rd Feb '13

Oh and my knowledge is based on the qur'an, the sunnah, according to how the salaf understood it. I know that's hard for someone who doesn't understand anything about islaam to understand what that actually means.

Layla-and-Faith 2 kids; Nova Scotia 656 posts
3rd Feb '13

Please explain these to me then..



-"Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and forsake them in beds apart, and beat them." Quran 4:34, (To me this says that men can beat their wives for not covering)



-"A male shall inherit twice as much as a female." Quran 4:11 (because he's more important? maybe?



-"Women shall with justice have rights similar to those exercised against them, although men have a status above women." Quran 2:228



-They ask you about menstruation. Say: 'It is an indisposition. Keep aloof from women during their menstrual periods and do not approach them until they are clean again; when they are clean, have intercourse with them whence God enjoined you....'" Quran 2:222, (why are they unclean? for something they cannot control?)

Mandy Schlatterer Due March 27 (girl); 2 kids; New Port Richey, Florida 1791 posts
3rd Feb '13

Didn't Muhammad have what he thought was an evil nightmare and his wife convinced him it was a revelation of Allah and so it all started?



I don't know much about Islam besides the true stories in my VOM magazines I get bi weekly, I see prison like reform camps for those who walk away and a lot if torturing killing and imprisoning Christians who are open about their faith.



One guy was found with a bible and was beat on a tree for a long time, many weeks if I remember correctly, until he denied Jesus. He never did. After many months he hit free.



Many stories like that one.



Don't Muslims believe that any non-Muslim will be consciously tormented eternally?

eKnuckles Due February 13; Florida 3473 posts
3rd Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Layla-and-Faith:</b>" Please explain these to me then.. -"Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior ... [snip!] ... intercourse with them whence God enjoined you....'" Quran 2:222, (why are they unclean? for something they cannot control?)"</blockquote>




I knew you would get a translation from who-knows-where. Do you even know who translated that? I bet you googled some phrase and came across some website where all they do is talk crap. Real good place to learn about islam.



So I had to go find the CORRECT translations, by the extremely famous, well known, and reputable translators, halili and khan (The Noble Qur'an).




-Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because All

eKnuckles Due February 13; Florida 3473 posts
3rd Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Mandy Schlatterer:</b>" Didn't Muhammad have what he thought was an evil nightmare and his wife convinced him it was a revelation ... [snip!] ... he hit free. Many stories like that one. Don't Muslims believe that any non-Muslim will be consciously tormented eternally?"</blockquote>




We believe that Prophet Muhammed sallallahu alayhi wa salaam, while on a mountain, saw angel gabriel alayhi salaam, and was scared (he was given the first revealed verses of the qur'an) and he ran to his wife because he was frightened.




Idk about the rest you posted of but the whole 'deny jesus' thing i seriously doubt considering we believe jesus alayhi salam is a great Prophet, and we believe in the second coming of Jesus. You CANNOT be muslim if you do not believe in all the Prophets.

Oya. 81 kids; Hollywood, Florida 25195 posts
3rd Feb '13
Quoting eKnuckles:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Layla-and-Faith:</b>" No, I actually looked into and have ... [snip!] ... texts, but if your goal is to read from people who have islamophobia...well then you're not going to learn any of the truths."


very well said

Oya. 81 kids; Hollywood, Florida 25195 posts
3rd Feb '13

i dont understand why you bother to try and argue with her about her religion. no one religion is the truth, so let others have thier own truths. if muslim women are ok with this truth, who are we to judge oppress or force them to do otherwise??

eKnuckles Due February 13; Florida 3473 posts
3rd Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Beanie's Breeder:</b>" i dont understand why you bother to try and argue with her about her religion. no one religion is the ... [snip!] ... have thier own truths. if muslim women are ok with this truth, who are we to judge oppress or force them to do otherwise??"</blockquote>




Especially about a religion they are not apart of. I used to think wiccans literally try and call on satan. Like 'satan, if ye hear me come to meee'. And then I found out they don't believe in satan lol. (Well, from what I've been told).

Layla-and-Faith 2 kids; Nova Scotia 656 posts
3rd Feb '13
Quoting Beanie's Breeder:" i dont understand why you bother to try and argue with her about her religion. no one religion is the ... [snip!] ... have thier own truths. if muslim women are ok with this truth, who are we to judge oppress or force them to do otherwise??"


I'm not preaching to her. I could careless what she chooses to follow but I feel from reading it that I get a much different idea. She is saying that because she converted to be a muslim that she knows more then the women who were born muslim. She is just translating things to make them look not as bad.. beating a woman with anything is not okay, and I assume it is also okay for the woman to beat her husband with a toothbrush, too, right? and she's also allowed to have 4 husbands if she wishes? and men must cover themselves not to provoke any perv women right? .. My fathers ex girlfriend married a muslim (born and raised) she divorced him because he felt that allah would want him to beat his wife to make her obey and pass the "test" that this life is. The friend from Iraq is a born and raises muslim, she confirms what I read in the book, those things DO take place in other coutries were being muslim is more popular. My SO's bestfriend is from Iran, he is not muslim but also says that the women are treated like crap up there and his mother fled with them when they were teens because of how awful it is for women.



To be fair, I also have someone on my facebook who converted to be muslim and she says the same as eknuckles does but again.. the ones who live in areas where muslim faith is popular, seem to see it in a very different way then those who convert and read different/updated versions of the qur'an.

Layla-and-Faith 2 kids; Nova Scotia 656 posts
3rd Feb '13

I'm clearly not taking about the same muslim and clans that eknuckles believe in. I mean the ones who follow the orginal qur'an. It is so sad how they treat those women and young girls.

Layla-and-Faith 2 kids; Nova Scotia 656 posts
3rd Feb '13

It's different here because Canada and the USA would never allow such things to happen. They would step in if a woman was being beating, wether their religion say it is okay or not. Back to the orginal post, in all coutries there are rules that everyone must follow.. I don't personally think anyone should get special treatment.. everyone says they want fairness and equality, well it is equel for rules to apply to everyone regardless of race, gender or religion.

eKnuckles Due February 13; Florida 3473 posts
3rd Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Layla-and-Faith:</b>" I'm clearly not taking about the same muslim and clans that eknuckles believe in. I mean the ones who follow the orginal qur'an. It is so sad how they treat those women and young girls."</blockquote>



Who follow the original qur'an? Your ignorance is showing. There is only one qur'an. It's not like the bible where there a ton of different versions.

eKnuckles Due February 13; Florida 3473 posts
3rd Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Layla-and-Faith:</b>" It's different here because Canada and the USA would never allow such things to happen. They would step ... [snip!] ... says they want fairness and equality, well it is equel for rules to apply to everyone regardless of race, gender or religion."</blockquote>




Lol what are you talking about? Women are abused every day in the USA and canada. All over the world.

eKnuckles Due February 13; Florida 3473 posts
3rd Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Layla-and-Faith:</b>" I'm not preaching to her. I could careless what she chooses to follow but I feel from reading it that ... [snip!] ... is popular, seem to see it in a very different way then those who convert and read different/updated versions of the qur'an."</blockquote>




Lol, WHERE did i say that muslim women who were raised muslim don't know as much as i do because I converted? Do not put words in my mouth. The issues that you are speaking of are CULTURAL. A lot of muslims who have grown up as muslims do not study their religiom because they have never been told to. Because i converted I obviously studied first, otherwise i would not have become a muslim. I also do not have cultural baggage, so I am able to see the difference. Seriously you are so ignorant it is not even funny. There is no 'revised' qur'an and I did not make up the translations lol. Everything I wrote is already here- you can't go lie to people who already read what I wrote. Lol I, unlike you, was actually able to give the translator's name of what I posted.

Layla-and-Faith 2 kids; Nova Scotia 656 posts
4th Feb '13

Can you read in their language because if not, I am 100 percent sure that you are NOT reading the orginal qur'an, you are reading a translated version.



You are the one being irrogant.. did you not just say that I shouldn't believe the word of a true muslim who actually read and understands the real qur'an? The girl in the book has read the qur'an in it's native language, exactly as it is meant to be read/heard. Her version is clearly not the same as your version.. so are you telling me that your translated softened version is the real one and this other woman is lying? because that is pretty much what you are saying.



From hearing real life stories from muslims who actually can read and understand the orginal qur'an, I get a much different view then your sugar coated version.



I'm not judging you, I'm just saying that you can't judge me for believing the word of muslims, who know how to read the real qu'ran, who has lived through a life surrounded by people who following the real qu'ran, over what you say.