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SavageDarling 3 kids; Webster, Massachusetts 10381 posts
3rd Jan '13

Listen. Everyone seems to be horrified by my opinion. My opinion is based on the fact that I don't believe that our judicial system should be a punishment based program, I think it should be more about keeping the public and their property safe and rehabilitating criminals who have the ability to be rehabilitated. I don't think a mother who made an unarguably STUPID decision to leave very young child in the tub and go do something completely unnecessary is a danger to the public (or anyone else at all) and I dont think there is any way to rehabilitate her. If it were me (although I've never done anything even close to as stupid as this) I would not survive the grief and guilt I felt. I KNOW for a fact that I would end up killing myself. What could possibly be worse than losing a child and having it be 100% your fault?? Nothing. Drinking and driving is not the same as this situation at all IMO. And I personally think that anchoring your chukdren's large furniture to the wall is just as much of a common sense safety rule as never leaving your child alone in the tub.



I don't think that she's getting off Scott free wether she is prosecuted or not. JMO

wombie 4 kids; Zimbabwe 73281 posts
3rd Jan '13
Quoting MommaSav2:" Listen. Everyone seems to be horrified by my opinion. My opinion is based on the fact that I don't believe ... [snip!] ... leaving your child alone in the tub. I don't think that she's getting off Scott free wether she is prosecuted or not. JMO"


I actually very much agree with you about prison being reserved for those who are a danger to the public.....in MOST cases.



However, like I stated in my original response to this topic, I also believe that unfortunately sometimes examples need to be set in the hopes of preventing other tragedies like this from happening. For some people, hearing this story and the death of the child alone isn't enough to make them think before they make similarly stupid decisions. The thought that they could face criminal charges and a prison sentence, however, may be a scary enough thought for them to make them think twice about being so stupid. As selfish as that may be, people like that do exist. For whatever reason, the possibility of THEM getting in trouble and facing punishment would be more of a motivating factor than the potential harm to their child. Sometimes the only reason people don't commit crimes or neglect/abuse their kids is out of fear of being held criminally responsible. If making an example out of this woman and giving her a prison sentence can prevent the death of even ONE child, then it's worth it.



That isn't the only reason or even the main reason I believe she should be criminally charged, but it's certainly one of my reasons. The bottom line is, she is responsible for the death of her child. It was completely preventable. Yes, she is probably grieving terribly and she is likely not someone who will continue to make dangerous and/or reckless parenting decisions, but we can't know that for sure. Not to mention, if we just let people off free and clear after doing something they KNEW was incredibly dangerous (like leaving a baby in a tub of water unattended) resulting in the death of the child, it would really set a dangerous precedence. Say someone really despises their child and wants to kill them (seems far fetched, but it happens), knowing that this girl faced zero charges and was not held responsible in any way by our justice system, could give them the idea that they could drown their child in a bathtub and make it look like an accident. Especially with an infant who probably wouldn't be able to struggle enough to cause any kind of defensive wounds, this cold blooded murderer could be completely off the hook due to the precedence set by the justice system who did not hold the mother, whose child drowned in the accident, responsible for her neglectful actions.

House of Estrogen Washington, District of Columbia 625 posts
3rd Jan '13

The only time I leave my 2 year old alone in the bathtub is when I walk 5 steps to get a towel. Leaving the room when a toddler is in the bath is negligence.

JΔS Georgia 70888 posts
3rd Jan '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting MommaSav2:</b>" Listen. Everyone seems to be horrified by my opinion. My opinion is based on the fact that I don't believe ... [snip!] ... leaving your child alone in the tub. I don't think that she's getting off Scott free wether she is prosecuted or not. JMO"</blockquote>




I agree with Wombie's response and I don't agree that anchoring your children's furniture to the wall is common sense. I actually hadn't heard of doing that until about 3 years ago.

thisunrest India 10364 posts
3rd Jan '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting MommaSav2:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting Jas ♥:</b>" Not the same."</blockquote> Ok. But ... [snip!] ... is going to live wih for the rest of her life. I think that's enough and she doesn't need to be prosecuted in my opinion."</blockquote>




I don't think feeling guilty is a good enough reason to avoid being prosecuted. A lot of people go to jail for causing death and at least a handful of them must feel nothing but regret and self-loathing for what they've done. Why should this woman be any different?

thisunrest India 10364 posts
3rd Jan '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Thisperyears:</b>" If I caused the death of a child, whether mine or not, I would probably end up harming myself or worse if I weren't convicted."</blockquote>



This. I could NOT live with that.

thisunrest India 10364 posts
3rd Jan '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Jas ♥:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting MommaSav2:</b>" Listen. Everyone seems to be horrified by my ... [snip!] ... anchoring your children's furniture to the wall is common sense. I actually hadn't heard of doing that until about 3 years ago."</blockquote>




Me either. I had always assumed that furniture made for toddlers/ toddler's rooms was built too light to cause serious injury. Glad I know differently now.

wombie 4 kids; Zimbabwe 73281 posts
4th Jan '13
Quoting Jas ♥:" <blockquote><b>Quoting MommaSav2:</b>" Listen. Everyone seems to be horrified by my ... [snip!] ... anchoring your children's furniture to the wall is common sense. I actually hadn't heard of doing that until about 3 years ago."


I don't think it's a common sense thing either. You don't automatically associate a dresser in a kid's room with a strong possibility of tragedy. Pretty much anyone with a brain will associate a young child/infant/toddler left alone in water with potential drowning.

wombie 4 kids; Zimbabwe 73281 posts
4th Jan '13
Quoting thisunrest:" <blockquote><b>Quoting MommaSav2:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting Jas ♥:</b>" ... [snip!] ... a handful of them must feel nothing but regret and self-loathing for what they've done. Why should this woman be any different?"


:!: there are lots of murderers who INSTANTLY feel remorseful or guilty after killing someone.....usually with crimes of passion. Likely, they wouldn't be a danger to anyone else in the public. Like a bar fight, for instance. One person punches another person too hard which causes a head injury and ultimately the death of the other person. While the person who threw that punch probably didn't intend to kill their victim, and they are probably sick with guilt and remorse, that doesn't change the fact that the other person's death resulted from their actions.