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user banned Lesbos, Greece 95211 posts
13th Jan '13

I really would like to see that kind of thing happen but I know I"m also in the minority. What I"d like to see in the US makes me better suited for living in Europe/Canada/Australia. :oops:

JessicaMatlock:) Due May 7 (boy); 1 child; Modesto, California 1337 posts
13th Jan '13
Quoting Safka9973:" After posting about Maternity leave a few days back, it came to my attention how few women and men are ... [snip!] ... a SAH parent? Or do you prefer the current way US treats families- supporting both parents working rather than supporting SAH?"



my state pays 55-60% up to 12 weeks PP.. but only if you worked long enough

Emily Dickinson 18 kids; Indiana 57844 posts
13th Jan '13
Quoting Safka9973:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Emily Dickinson:</b>" There are other taxes than income taxes. ... [snip!] ... has to pay taxes on maternity leave earned. It's a job for that someone is getting paid for regardless of who the payee is."


It isn't a job though.
Being a mother is never going to because it does not provide economical benefit to anyone else.



Do you truly think that a small business pays less in taxes and/or benefits our economy in the same way that one person's income taxes?

Emily Dickinson 18 kids; Indiana 57844 posts
13th Jan '13
Quoting JessicaMatlock:):" my state pays 55-60% up to 12 weeks PP.. but only if you worked long enough"


You also pay specifically into that through your MediCal taxes.

user banned Lesbos, Greece 95211 posts
13th Jan '13
Quoting Safka9973:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Emily Dickinson:</b>" Excuse me? So working mothers are not ... [snip!] ... work at McDonald's and miss out on their child's life to me seems to have no benefit. Esp with the crazy costs of child care."


I'm fairly certain I'm the one that gets up with them at the ass crack of dawn to get them ready. I also feed them, teach them how to use a potty, bathe them, teach them morals and values, and take care of them while sick. I take them to doctor's appointments and worry about their well being even if I"m not right there beside them.



Fairly certain I'm still raising my children. At least I know my kids aren't going to turn into whiny insecure children because they can't handle being away from mommy for more than an hour at a time.

user banned Des Moines, Iowa 1848 posts
13th Jan '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Emily Dickinson:</b>" It isn't a job though. Being a mother is never going to because it does not provide economical benefit ... [snip!] ... think that a small business pays less in taxes and/or benefits our economy in the same way that one person's income taxes?"</blockquote>




I am interested in the social benefits. Because I truly believe that of parents were given the ability to raise their children rather than having daycare providers do the bulk that crime rates would drop, people would grow to be more productive citizens, an in the long run, our economy would benefit quite a bit more.

Holly and girls! 2 kids; Texas 19501 posts
13th Jan '13

I do not think the government should pay for maternity leave. And if they did want to, where would you suggest pulling the money from? I think there are much more important things to be funded and our country is struggling just to pay for those!

user banned Des Moines, Iowa 1848 posts
13th Jan '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Holly and girls!:</b>" I do not think the government should pay for maternity leave. And if they did want to, where would you ... [snip!] ... the money from? I think there are much more important things to be funded and our country is struggling just to pay for those!"</blockquote>




I think rather than paying day care assistance they should pay maternity leave. Seems pretty simple to me.

user banned Lesbos, Greece 95211 posts
13th Jan '13
Quoting Safka9973:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Emily Dickinson:</b>" It isn't a job though. Being a mother ... [snip!] ... would drop, people would grow to be more productive citizens, an in the long run, our economy would benefit quite a bit more."


People are productive citizens when they have basic social skills and are aware of how the world works. A good majority of SAHs shield their children from the world and teach them to only rely on their parents. That is a huge and difficult adjustment for them to make when they go to school. My daughter loves going to daycare. She has friends and she loves her teacher. She's advanced her social skills and emotional maturity because of daycare.



I find it more harmful, to be perfectly honest, to be a stay at home mom. Let's be honest, most SAHMs don't get their kids out to socialize with their peers.

Emily Dickinson 18 kids; Indiana 57844 posts
13th Jan '13
Quoting Safka9973:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Emily Dickinson:</b>" It isn't a job though. Being a mother ... [snip!] ... would drop, people would grow to be more productive citizens, an in the long run, our economy would benefit quite a bit more."


Social benefits?



Studies have been done for over a century on the social benefits that children get through their interaction with other children at places like daycare. Piaget, Vygotzky, Erickson - all of them studied how children find themselves, how they learn about society, how they learn from one another and ALL of them suggest that early learning, early socializing, early boundaries in a social setting do more to benefit them than being alone with an adult. Children learn best from other children.



Crime rates, for example. If a child is never placed in a situation where they have specific social rules - similar to laws - how are they expected to learn how to act in those situations?



Even homeschooling mothers - like my friend Dee - know that they can't do it all themselves - they have to join co-ops and go on field trips and attend "daycare" like settings in order to flourish.

Holly and girls! 2 kids; Texas 19501 posts
13th Jan '13
Quoting Safka9973:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Holly and girls!:</b>" I do not think the government should ... [snip!] ... I think rather than paying day care assistance they should pay maternity leave. Seems pretty simple to me."



Daycare assistance is only for lower income families. Are you suggesting that only lower income families qualify for this?

Emily Dickinson 18 kids; Indiana 57844 posts
13th Jan '13
Quoting Safka9973:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Holly and girls!:</b>" I do not think the government should ... [snip!] ... I think rather than paying day care assistance they should pay maternity leave. Seems pretty simple to me."


So mothers that want to work to provide for their own children would be punished to support those that want to stay home?



Seems fair.

user banned Lesbos, Greece 95211 posts
13th Jan '13

And the homeschooled kids who don't get out of the house for things like co-ops are really weird and socially stunted.

user banned Des Moines, Iowa 1848 posts
13th Jan '13

I just really hate knowing that my taxes are paying for someone who is not properly vested in a child's best interests to care for that child. All the while, the person ideally suited to caring for the child (a parent with who genuinely lives and has a true desire to further the child in life) is working min wage. Receiving less money. For nothing.

Emily Dickinson 18 kids; Indiana 57844 posts
13th Jan '13
Quoting Safka9973:" I just really hate knowing that my taxes are paying for someone who is not properly vested in a child's ... [snip!] ... who genuinely lives and has a true desire to further the child in life) is working min wage. Receiving less money. For nothing."


Not everyone works for minimum wage.
Anyone that chooses to work with children have a vested interest in them.



I am a teacher. Do you not think that I have a true desire to further the child in life? Believe me, I care more than most of their parents.