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Supafly★ 2 kids; Poland 14113 posts
15th Jan '13

Agree with the actions and everyone's comments above me.

The Doctor 2 kids; Whiskey Dick Mountain, WA, United States 59959 posts
15th Jan '13
Quoting Jude ♥ JGL:" <blockquote><b>Quoting The Doctor:</b>" Wow. I'm all for choice in that matter... but ... [snip!] ... to end your life. But... I guess... I'm not those two brothers."</blockquote> Being blind AND deaf would be awful."


I understand that.



Personally, I would wait until my quality of life deteriorated to that point, not beforehand. But... that's what choice is all about.

user banned 4 kids; Mueang Phuket, Thailand 30487 posts
15th Jan '13
Quoting Kayla [:)]♥:" I agree with it, but I'm not sure I agree with expanding it to dementia patients and children though."


id probably want to die if i had demtntia.. depending on how long and how bad.. whos to say though.

and children in no way i think yet grasp LIFE so i dont think they would be able to make a decision.. but its hard to say ya know.. someone struggling with cancer for their whole young life might just want to give up. : ( like someone else said a mental eval. and counseling would probably be good

user banned California 36390 posts
15th Jan '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting The Doctor:</b>" I understand that. Personally, I would wait until my quality of life deteriorated to that point, not beforehand. But... that's what choice is all about."</blockquote>




I would want to be able to see and talk to my family and say goodbye first.

I declare a Time War 1 child; Ohio 1591 posts
15th Jan '13

I mean I think there should be a long in depth psychological evaluation over several months maybe even up to a year first. Where all the other options are talked about and the people have time to back out if they so choose. I fully agree with Dr. Kevorkian and people like him though. I believe you have a right to die. Especially if you are terminally ill. And I think having doctors supervise it is a good idea in case you change your mind you can be saved. That way also your organs can be preserved and harvested and donated to those who want to live.

Ellie. 34 kids; Arizona 25371 posts
15th Jan '13

If I was already deaf and going blind... I dont think I'd want to live life like that either. In total silence and total darkness... I'd probably opt to die as well.

Alba's Mommy 1 child; 1 angel baby; Sacramento, California 4701 posts
15th Jan '13
Quoting The Doctor:" Wow. I'm all for choice in that matter... but going blind definitely (to me) seems like a bad reason to choose to end your life. But... I guess... I'm not those two brothers."



I don't think it was just because they were going blind. It was because they were already deaf and could only communicate through sign language, which requires sight. Since they were also losing their sight, I think they felt like they were losing everything and would feel left out and cut off from everything they loved.

It's really sad that they felt the need to do that, but they did it together & I'm sure they wanted to never feel that kind of pain or misery.

JKBC♡ 2 kids; Windsor, PA, United States 9796 posts
15th Jan '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting The Doctor:</b>" Wow. I'm all for choice in that matter... but going blind definitely (to me) seems like a bad reason to choose to end your life. But... I guess... I'm not those two brothers."</blockquote>




Yeah but they were also deaf, after going blind, they would have no way of communicating with one another or anyone else. They probably felt like they would just be blobs sitting around waiting for people to take care of them.

The Doctor 2 kids; Whiskey Dick Mountain, WA, United States 59959 posts
15th Jan '13
Quoting Jude ♥ JGL:" <blockquote><b>Quoting The Doctor:</b>" I understand that. Personally, I would wait ... [snip!] ... what choice is all about."</blockquote> I would want to be able to see and talk to my family and say goodbye first."


Yes. And I would be doing that over the next few weeks/months/however long it took to deteriorate. Make sure I made all of the connections I wanted to make, make sure everything was said that needed to be said, and took as much time and gotten as much enjoyment as I could before that time.



I'm not criticizing their decision, at all. I'm D&Ding.

Not tellin 3 kids; Montana 55983 posts
15th Jan '13
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MommyToWesley 1 child; Delaware 3847 posts
15th Jan '13
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Vincent&Me (Laura) 2 kids; Moab, Utah 7847 posts
15th Jan '13
Quoting Kayla [:)]♥:" I agree with it, but I'm not sure I agree with expanding it to dementia patients and children though."


What if a child has terminal cancer, and no matter what they do they're going to suffer a long, drawn out, painful death? Or Muscular Dystrophy? I can see times that the option would be beneficial to both the parents and the child. It would be a terribly difficult decision, but if the choice is between suffering and going peacefully, I'd have to choose peace.

user banned 2 kids; Iowa 7762 posts
15th Jan '13
Quoting Kayla [:)]♥:" I agree with it, but I'm not sure I agree with expanding it to dementia patients and children though."


Yea I don't agree with this part. An adult of sound mind should be allowed to make that choice for themselves though.

MommyToWesley 1 child; Delaware 3847 posts
15th Jan '13
Quoting ☮ Phuket:" id probably want to die if i had demtntia.. depending on how long and how bad.. whos to say though. ... [snip!] ... whole young life might just want to give up. : ( like someone else said a mental eval. and counseling would probably be good"


I agree with not expanding it to children. Like you said, they haven't grasped what it means to live yet.



As far as dementia patients, though, I could see expanding physician assisted suicide to them. We have a long history of Alzheimer's in my family- my grandmother, her two twin brothers, their father, etc. Watching my grandmother slowly deteriorate and forget her life, her husband, her children, everything- it was so terrible, and not something I would wish on anyone. My mother has already been very explicit about if she gets the disease- she wants to be put in a nursing home and for us not to see her, visit her, anything. She says she doesn't want us to see her like that, and to have to go through what she went through watching her mother disappear before her. My uncle (mom's brother) says that if he gets it, he wants to go hunting and have an "accident" because he would never want to live like that. Why shouldn't they have a right to that choice?
My grandmother had moments of clarity. She was with my mom during one of them. She told her how proud she was of her, and how she had turned out to be a wonderful woman, wife and mother. She told her over and over again how sorry she was to be putting my mother through this disease, and how she wished it could all just be over so her family wouldn't have to suffer anymore.

justanothamotha Due January 20; 130 kids; Climax, Michigan 5120 posts
15th Jan '13

I'm not sure what I think really. It would really help to know more of the situation. Helen Keller was deaf & blind & certainly didn't "not communicate". I get it. If I found out I was going blind & deaf I'd be terrified. I also couldn't say for sure I would be "suffering" until after it happened & I had actually experienced it. I may feel different but I actually know someone that happened to. It was vision first for him that got bad, then he went deaf, then the rest of his vision went (due to inoperable tumor). He went to the Helen Keller school & then got his degree at a local university. I realize not everyone will feel the way HE did about his situation...I am ONLY stating being blind & deaf doesn't mean useless nor unable to communicate. I see this very differently from other conditions where chronic debilitating pain or death are eminent. In this case I am hoping something more was wrong rather than it being them believing they'd be isolated - because that school is busy & MOST students are deaf & blind. Clearly - it isn't a life's over & you have to live in isolation thing. I just am not sure if you can know you would be in misery until it actually occurred. Look at Stephen Hawking. He has Lou Gherigs disease. It is considered fatal, usually in a few years or less. He progressed to the near fatal stage & then has stayed there. He was diagnosed in the 60's. He is considered the most brilliant theoretical physicists since Einstein & has contributed so much to this world. Had he lost hope that his life could continue to be meaningful when he was told he had 2 yrs to live, he could have easily chosen to end it. That is where my conflict lies - what we think a situation might be like, versus the way it plays out.



I am all for choice in general, that is why this is hard for me. I want people to have choice, I also want them to have HELP so that death doesn't sound like the best choice. I don't know what options were made available to them so that their belief was that THIS was the best choice. Sine it says nothing else, i am basing this on the idea that the ONLY problems they had were the deafness & imminent blindness. If other issues are present/factors, I haven't seen that listed.



I do not agree with anyone else every being able to consent to euthanasia on behalf of another. I understand WHY we'd want to do that for someone who couldn't consent in certain situations...but it's way too close to being able to order a death for selfish or personal reasons, such as inheritance, relief of a burden, etc.