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Moses. Due October 27; 3 kids; Texas 16003 posts
16th Jan '13

In the new gun law they just did, they are providing allowance to hire more police. IF this was about gun control lowering crime, WHY in the fuck do we need to hire more police? Why would that be included?

❀Sarah❀ 2 kids; Cocking, EU, Europe 122648 posts
status 16th Jan '13
Quoting Stfu Shirley:" There's a lot more to it than that though. Chicago has some of the worst neighborhoods in America. I ... [snip!] ... criminals to get guns. I know they'll get them anyway, I'm not stupid. But why make it so easy? What's the advantage of that?"


From the World Health Organization:

The latest Murder Statistics for the world:

Murders per 100,000 citizens

Honduras 91.6
El Salvador 69.2
Cote d'lvoire 56.9
Jamaica 52.2
Venezuela 45.1
Belize 41.4
US
Virgin Islands 39.2
Guatemala 38.5
Saint Kits and
Nevis 38.2
Zambia
38.0
Uganda 36.3
Malawi 36.0
Lesotho 35.2
Trinidad and Tobago 35.2
Colombia 33.4
South Africa 31.8
Congo 30.8
Central African Republic 29.3
Bahamas 27.4
Puerto Rico 26.2
Saint Lucia 25.2
Dominican Republic 25.0
Tanzania 24.5
Sudan 24.2
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 22.9
Ethiopia 22.5
Guinea 22.5
Dominica 22.1
Burundi 21.7
Democratic Republic of the Congo 21.7
Panama 21.6
Brazil 21.0
Equatorial Guinea 20.7
Guinea-Bissau 20.2
Kenya 20.1
Kyrgyzstan 20.1
Cameroon 19.7
Montserrat 19.7
Greenland 19.2
Angola 19.0
Guyana 18.6
Burkina Faso 18.0
Eritrea 17.8
Namibia 17.2
Rwanda 17.1
Mexico 16.9
Chad 15.8
Ghana 15.7
Ecuador 15.2
North Korea 15.2
Benin 15.1
Sierra Leone 14.9
Mauritania 14.7
Botswana 14.5
Zimbabwe 14.3
Gabon 13.8
Nicaragua 13.6
French Guiana 13.3
Papua New Guinea 13.0
Swaziland 12.9
Bermuda 12.3
Comoros 12.2
Nigeria 12.2
Cape Verde 11.6
Grenada 11.5
Paraguay 11.5
Barbados 11.3
Togo 10.9
Gambia 10.8
Peru 10.8
Myanmar 10.2
Russia 10.2
Liberia 10.1
Costa Rica 10.0
Nauru 9.8
Bolivia 8.9
Mozambique 8.8
Kazakhstan 8.8
Senegal 8.7
Turks and Caicos Islands 8.7
Mongolia 8.7
British Virgin Islands 8.6
Cayman Islands 8.4
Seychelles 8.3
Madagascar 8.1
Indonesia 8.1
Mali 8.0
Pakistan 7.8
Moldova 7.5
Kiribati 7.3
Guadeloupe 7.0
Haiti 6.9
Timor-Leste 6.9
Anguilla 6.8
Antigua and Barbuda 6.8
Lithuania 6.6
Uruguay 5.9
Philippines 5.4
Ukraine 5.2
Estonia 5.2
Cuba 5.0
Belarus 4.9
Thailand 4.8
Suriname 4.6
Laos 4.6
Georgia 4.3
Martinique 4.2
And
The United States 4.2
ALL the countries above
America have 100% gun bans




This tells me that gun bans do not work.

❀Sarah❀ 2 kids; Cocking, EU, Europe 122648 posts
status 16th Jan '13
Quoting Stfu Shirley:" What?! Of course I have. What part of those executive orders states, "We're taking all your guns away?""


Give it time.

Stfu Squirrel District of Columbia 8555 posts
16th Jan '13
Quoting Sarah Bare-ah♡:" From the World Health Organization: The latest Murder Statistics for the world: Murders per 100,000 ... [snip!] ... 4.2 And The United States 4.2 ALL the countries above America have 100% gun bans This tells me that gun bans do not work. "


That list is skewed, as most of those are developing countries with really unstable government.



Show me some first world ones and their laws?

LA REINA™ New York, NY, United States 16316 posts
16th Jan '13
Quoting LeTs*StArT*a*RiOt!:" Even with if it WAS a good idea, and it's not, I'd really like to see him pull this off without any issues. You can't strip away chunks of the second amendment and have that go down swimmingly. :P"

They did it to the citizens of Chicago for over 30 years.

Stfu Squirrel District of Columbia 8555 posts
16th Jan '13
Quoting Sarah Bare-ah♡:" Give it time."


But the government is being accused of trying to take everyone's guns NOW.



Why would they want to do that? How would the government benefit from taking all its citizens guns away? Anyone?

❀Sarah❀ 2 kids; Cocking, EU, Europe 122648 posts
status 16th Jan '13
Quoting Stfu Shirley:" But the government is being accused of trying to take everyone's guns NOW. Why would they want to do that? How would the government benefit from taking all its citizens guns away? Anyone?"


So they can over power us.

Stfu Squirrel District of Columbia 8555 posts
16th Jan '13
Quoting Sarah Bare-ah♡:" So they can over power us. "


For what purpose?
And they already CAN overpower us.

LA REINA™ New York, NY, United States 16316 posts
16th Jan '13
Quoting Stfu Shirley:" There's a lot more to it than that though. Chicago has some of the worst neighborhoods in America. I ... [snip!] ... criminals to get guns. I know they'll get them anyway, I'm not stupid. But why make it so easy? What's the advantage of that?"

Regardless of the fact that we have the worst neighborhoods, the guns that are floating around here are illegally possessed. The bad guys have guns and law abiding citizens cannot arm themselves against the people that have the guns illegally. There is something seriously wrong with that picture and if you can't see it, then God help you.

LA REINA™ New York, NY, United States 16316 posts
16th Jan '13
Quoting LeTs*StArT*a*RiOt!:" Yeah, but that was for one small, very dangerous city... Not the entire US. KWIM?"

I do know what you mean. Point is, the people should have taken a stand on this a long time ago. Kids are getting killed left and right here and there's nothing we can do to protect them except pray for them.

Stfu Squirrel District of Columbia 8555 posts
16th Jan '13
Quoting Daenerys
user banned Colorado 21030 posts
16th Jan '13
Quoting Stfu Shirley:" What kind of war, exactly, do you think the president is trying to wage on our country? And why? What ... [snip!] ... be led by an industry which is just trying to protect its profits and will say ANYTHING to emotionally manipulate its market."


That's exactly what it is. Taking away weapons so we can't rise up.
I will never trust the government or the media. Then again, I'm not American trash. In any case fuck them.

LA REINA™ New York, NY, United States 16316 posts
16th Jan '13
Quoting Stfu Shirley:" So how is every citizen owning an assault weapon going to change that?"

We'd be armed against the bad guys.

Stfu Squirrel District of Columbia 8555 posts
16th Jan '13
Quoting LeTs*StArT*a*RiOt!:" I dunno, why'd Hitler take away all of the German citizens' guns before he started going nuts and started ... [snip!] ... nuts and started the Holocaust and WW2? :roll: You act like a government trying something like this has never happened. "


No actually I'm somewhat familiar with that bit of history.
I suggest you dig a little deeper. Again, there's a bigger picture.
Hitler didn't try to take guns away from everyone, mostly just the Jewish population, which was commonly blamed as the cause of all that was wrong in Germany at the time. If the US government started saying that certain populations should be banned from owning guns, and that we should live and breed in a way that would make that population obsolete, then maybe it would be a little more evenly comparable.

Stfu Squirrel District of Columbia 8555 posts
16th Jan '13
Quoting ♥ darah ♥:" That's exactly what it is. Taking away weapons so we can't rise up. I will never trust the government or the media. Then again, I'm not American trash. In any case fuck them."


"American trash?" :?
Where are you originally from, and how much better are things there?



If "taking away our rights" is what we need to rise up against, then ok. I like rights. I'd like the right to do whatever I want. But then, if we could all do whatever we wanted, it would be a little chaotic, no? So we have laws, and guidelines, and restrictions on things. They aren't perfect, but they're the best we can come up with. And if you don't like the way the government is being run, then at least you won't get killed for saying so. Maybe some people do, idk. But most don't. We can all agree on that, right?



I am not going to say that the US is perfect, Obama is perfect, or any of that. I just don't think it's all a bunch of evil henchmen who are trying to obliterate us all so they can have our...whatever it is y'all think they want.