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Phallus Cranium cocksuck, LA, Sri Lanka 109258 posts
17th Jan '13

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Quoting Erin Krumwiede:" Have you ever thought what would happen if you got out of your car to go to the backseat and pick up ... [snip!] ... but regardless what point im making you dont seem to want to answer my questions regarding the information I am looking for."


tl:dr



I am also familiar with the Straw man and you're not fooling anyone :wink:
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html

Erin Krumwiede Due February 15 (boy); Minnesota 106 posts
17th Jan '13
Quoting .Colleen.:" OP, if you really want to make an informed and responsible decision, you are well advised to read about ... [snip!] ... cause of sids rather making ridiculous comparisions that do not relate in any way. DO you know what the current theories are?"


That is questionable wether or not they relate, we all have different ways of seeing things but I would be more than willing to read any articles you could present me with to further my knowledge and round out my decision. thanks :)

Erin Krumwiede Due February 15 (boy); Minnesota 106 posts
17th Jan '13
Quoting 3 little monsters:" Crib bumpers aren't even a necessity. You can put up a thin piece of breathable material around the crib ... [snip!] ... options out there that serve the exact purpose without the same deadly potential.. I don't get how this is even a debate. "


It was intended as more of a "please show me information and your experiance so I can come to a good conclusion" but lol things happen when you get everyones momma together and all mothers have their opinions and are very fond of doing the right thing. Also agreed I am looking more into the breathable materials as we speak and they seem to do the trick.

Phallus Cranium cocksuck, LA, Sri Lanka 109258 posts
17th Jan '13
Quoting Erin Krumwiede:" That is questionable wether or not they relate, we all have different ways of seeing things but I would ... [snip!] ... more than willing to read any articles you could present me with to further my knowledge and round out my decision. thanks :)"


How can it possibly be questionable if the cause if death relates to precautions?

That makes zero sense and I am done wasting time here.



Erin Krumwiede Due February 15 (boy); Minnesota 106 posts
17th Jan '13
Quoting Preggo ✖ Status:" If can be proven how your child died then they did not die from SIDS plain and simple. They might have ... [snip!] ... might have lumped them together before but they arent now and you can't get any more literal then "unknown cause of death". "


The fact that they lump statistics together doesn't make me trust everything they say right away so adding up to a previous comment this is why I am looking for a wider base of answers. Some deaths they also chalk up to one thing or another because its the most probable cause, I mean goodness people still think cats suck out babies breath lol My cat loves babies

Vivialopod 2 kids; Vantaa, Finland 42788 posts
17th Jan '13

I think cribs are unsafe in general. We cosleep.

Erin Krumwiede Due February 15 (boy); Minnesota 106 posts
17th Jan '13
Quoting Preggo ✖ Status:" There are actually people out there that cannot bathe because their skin blisters, I watched something ... [snip!] ... since we are mad eof like 80% water yet if water touched these people their skin blisters and stuff...those people dont bathe."


I actually have a good family friend who's cousin has that same issue, it has always fascinated me that like you said we are made up of water but yet we can carry the strangest allergy and reactions to it.

user banned Logan, Utah 3594 posts
17th Jan '13
Quoting Erin Krumwiede:" The fact that they lump statistics together doesn't make me trust everything they say right away so ... [snip!] ... because its the most probable cause, I mean goodness people still think cats suck out babies breath lol My cat loves babies"


My cat is seriously pissing off my baby, I woke up the other day to my baby crying and laying on top of my cat. My cat thought she was playing so was nibbling on her.. The baby was very angry. LOL Norman always jumps in her crib, I even was woken up one night by the baby cryiing because Norman was kneading her back LOL poor kid, the cat just loves her...she just wants to sleep. I actually am using one of those crib tents now because of it but its not because I thnk he will hurt or her smother...just because he interupts her sleep!

Erin Krumwiede Due February 15 (boy); Minnesota 106 posts
17th Jan '13
Quoting Preggo ✖ Status:" Just do what works for you and your kids and most important what make you comfortable! I'm sure theres ... [snip!] ... recently because the baby is pulling herself up and I no longer need to drop the side. So now shes in the pretty new crib 8)"


Goodness you are a daring one! lol ;)
but I agree ultimately every mother is going to go by what she feels she is comfortable with, And what education we get about certain things helps us in those decisions. the world and country is the way it is because we have a difference of opinion...a thing to be appreciated but taken with a grain of salt lol

user banned Logan, Utah 3594 posts
17th Jan '13
Quoting Viv, Ev & Gwen ♥:" I think cribs are unsafe in general. We cosleep."


This too, I don't necessarily think theyre unsafe but I do co-sleep more than I use a crib, my baby is only in her crib if I am not napping with her or if the husband and I want some one on one time to ourselves.

Erin Krumwiede Due February 15 (boy); Minnesota 106 posts
17th Jan '13
Quoting 3 little monsters:" I know who you are talking about! It's super rare and almost always caused by something else, medication ... [snip!] ... But they can't bathe or even cry or sweat without horrible blistering and rashes. Can you imagine how awful that would be? :("


I myself have always loved swimming and water in general, I would be extremely sad if I couldn't do that for risk of harming myself, makes me wonder if they are also their own worst enemy due too themselves being made up of water...

meggymama Due July 30; 97 kids; United Kingdom 510 posts
17th Jan '13
Quoting Viv, Ev & Gwen ♥:" I think cribs are unsafe in general. We cosleep."


As a 50/50 co-sleeper with DD I plan to do the same with this baby, we had the moses basket right next to the bed and she started out in there but then stayed in with us from about 1-2am each night until I was brave enough to just go for it and fully co-sleep.
I wont be quite so scared this time around i dont think but will probably follow the same way, DD slept in her big cot from around one year but mainly in with us I also this had and has alot to do with my stance on cot bumpers too. My DD is mainly in her own bed now but still has the sensor pad in her bed and if she is remotely ill I know she is safest in with me.

Erin Krumwiede Due February 15 (boy); Minnesota 106 posts
17th Jan '13
Quoting .Colleen.:" If any of that were actually true, you would get off the social forum and the media information and ... [snip!] ... pretend to be so well informed when you have not even read any studies about sids. You're a joke. Go read a book "


Lol I never said I was well informed dear,
I am actually looking at the links others on this forum have sent me for perusal.
as I was not able to find many before, I love reading books but alas they have not written one yet on this subject that I can find lol but thank you for the advice I shall and am looking into it.

Erin Krumwiede Due February 15 (boy); Minnesota 106 posts
17th Jan '13
Quoting .Colleen.:" :lol: tl:dr I am also familiar with the Straw man and you're not fooling anyone :wink: http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html"


Lol a very interesting read I am glad you can come to the conclusion of who I am and tell me I am missing the point when all I have asked for is information. If you have it and believe I am not well informed...well educate me. I am not telling you that everything I say is in a book or spoken by some statistician I am bringing in my viewpoint I dont know everything, I know things from general ares I have learned from. But your mocking comments has not made much of an indent into this learning process, however I appreciate the time you take in responding.

Erin Krumwiede Due February 15 (boy); Minnesota 106 posts
17th Jan '13
Quoting .Colleen.:" How can it possibly be questionable if the cause if death relates to precautions? That makes zero sense and I am done wasting time here. "


It is questionable since not every person who uses bumpers has had their infant pass away. And if you feel you are wasting your time then that is your conclusion to which I agree our conversation has not gotten farther than us questioning each others way of thinking rather than the point.