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InkDMomma 35 kids; Clinton Township, Michigan 27418 posts
17th Jan '13
Quoting Elle With Three &1/2:" There are a lot of Christians that get mentioned in crimes. Oh snap, athiests, too. And what about ... [snip!] ... - which has a hell of a lot more to do with how the people turn out as adults than the fact that they listen to ICP."


That's why they were FLAGGED with the FBI.
When so many people affiliated with a group like that commited murders and other crimes it kind of makes them want to categorize them as such.

Sherri + 3 LLC 3 kids; Mesa, Arizona 3758 posts
17th Jan '13
Quoting Blair Waldorf (SuperKink):" I have no opinion on the debate, I just wanted to point out that you were a "Jugglette" unless you were sporting a p***s. :P"


I became a "juggalo" before "Juggalette" ever existed. lol. I was 13 so that was over 20 years ago.

Sherri + 3 LLC 3 kids; Mesa, Arizona 3758 posts
17th Jan '13
Quoting Elle With Three &1/2:" Very old news. But no, they shouldn't be classified as a gang. Gangs, by definition, are groups of ... [snip!] ... of organized criminals. A bunch of stoners listening to clowns rap while they drink faygo, hardly equates organized crime."


Yes the F.B.I thing is old news but I brought it up because of a double murder with attempted mutilation that was done in Joliet, Illinois recently. A murer that was committed by 4 juggalos.

user banned 33 kids; Blytheville, Arkansas 7534 posts
17th Jan '13
Quoting Brink:" <blockquote><b>Quoting The Andromeda Strain:</b>" gang: an organized group of criminals ... [snip!] ... illegal?"</blockquote> That's if you use it as a noun. As a verb it fits. -slides back into teacher land....-"


Haha! You are right. :D I think that as a literal sense any group is a gang, but I'd be hard pressed to consider all Juggalos a member of the same gang.

Sherri + 3 LLC 3 kids; Mesa, Arizona 3758 posts
17th Jan '13

I certainly never considered myself a gang member as a juggalo. I am from Detroit and I listened to ICP before anyone else in the world had heard of them. It is really a shame that it has come to this because Violent J and Shaggy are really nice men. It just does not come across during shows or in their music. Violent J has spoken out saying that all the juggalos should not have to suffer for a few idiots and he said anyone that would murder someone else is not a real juggalo anyway.
When I was a juggalo it just meant you had instant friends, sort of like a family. Everyone pretty much got along and nobody was cutting people up with hatchets and murdering guys and playing video games alongside their bodies.

Elle With FOUR! 4 kids; Wichita, KS, United States 18964 posts
17th Jan '13
Quoting InkDMomma:" That's why they were FLAGGED with the FBI. When so many people affiliated with a group like that commited murders and other crimes it kind of makes them want to categorize them as such."

Well if that's how you're looking at it, than everyone with a lower class background should be considered a gang member, because statistically they are the people that commit the vast majority of violent crimes. It's not the music, it's the background.

InkDMomma 35 kids; Clinton Township, Michigan 27418 posts
17th Jan '13
Quoting Elle With Three &1/2:" Well if that's how you're looking at it, than everyone with a lower class background should be considered ... [snip!] ... statistically they are the people that commit the vast majority of violent crimes. It's not the music, it's the background."


How do other gangs become classified as gangs?



Same exact way.

ßlack Rose ♥ 2 kids; 2 angel babies; Sharon, Oklahoma 5335 posts
17th Jan '13
Quoting Sherri + 3:" I certainly never considered myself a gang member as a juggalo. I am from Detroit and I listened to ICP ... [snip!] ... got along and nobody was cutting people up with hatchets and murdering guys and playing video games alongside their bodies. "


They have a similar thing now, where if you are one of the 'Children of the fence' and label yourself as a Kilgannon, you inherit a giant instant family and friends that are surprisingly alot larger than I thought. It is a shame that innocent people that call themselves juggalos have to suffer because other people's ignorance and stupidity. But that's the same with many other groups. Goths. Punk. And many others. There will always be the few that have to go too far and make a bad name for the whole group.

Elle With FOUR! 4 kids; Wichita, KS, United States 18964 posts
17th Jan '13
Quoting InkDMomma:" How do other gangs become classified as gangs? Same exact way."


But other gangs aren't formed over the love of a band.



I mean, hell...I'm sure a lot of Parrotheads have had DUIs, and I'm sure there have been some drunk bar fights, but no one's calling them a gang, are they?

Alicia Holz 2 kids; Fond du Lac, Wisconsin 534 posts
18th Jan '13

i think this whole gang this b.s juggalos are a family not a gang...but i think its the young ones ruining it for the rest the ones that go oh you have to have the hatchetman tatt..oh you have to wear the clothes all the time...i love icp,twiztid and the rest but you wouldnt know it about me unless i told you...i have heard a story of how this guy was in the army serverd our country for 11 years got kicked out cause of his hatchet man tatt...and parents losing there kids cause of the same thing..i just hope J and Shaggy get something done by suing the FBI

......... nowhere, NW, United States 25972 posts
18th Jan '13
Quoting Alicia Holz:" i think this whole gang this b.s juggalos are a family not a gang...but i think its the young ones ruining ... [snip!] ... man tatt...and parents losing there kids cause of the same thing..i just hope J and Shaggy get something done by suing the FBI"


Most gangs such as Bloods, Crips and Latin Kings consider themselves a family too...and are tied over a common bond (like Juggalos/lettes are tied over their love of ICP).



I do think that it should be considered a gang. Are all people that consider themselves Juggalos/lettes part of that gang? No, but it still doesn't take away that some of them have organized and created a gang in ICP's name. If they didn't, there wouldn't be an investigation into them...



And sue the FBI? For what? It's not like they're saying ICP is a gang themselves.

Alicia Holz 2 kids; Fond du Lac, Wisconsin 534 posts
18th Jan '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting ~Ice Princess~:</b>" Most gangs such as Bloods, Crips and Latin Kings consider themselves a family too...and are tied over ... [snip!] ... wouldn't be an investigation into them... And sue the FBI? For what? It's not like they're saying ICP is a gang themselves. "</blockquote>




so punish the bad ones not the rest

......... nowhere, NW, United States 25972 posts
18th Jan '13
Quoting Alicia Holz:" <blockquote><b>Quoting ~Ice Princess~:</b>" Most gangs such as Bloods, Crips and ... [snip!] ... For what? It's not like they're saying ICP is a gang themselves. "</blockquote> so punish the bad ones not the rest"


No one's being punished for no reason at all...



I haven't heard they're going around rounding people up for simply showing support for ICP...

Alicia Holz 2 kids; Fond du Lac, Wisconsin 534 posts
18th Jan '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting ~Ice Princess~:</b>" No one's being punished for no reason at all... I haven't heard they're going around rounding people up for simply showing support for ICP..."</blockquote>




but they are thats the bad thing a mom lost her rights over her kids cause the ex the kids daddy told the courts she was a lette and she lost all her rights over her kids even tho she has no bad background and has a good job how fair is that or a person in army serving this country for 11 years to get kicked out over a tatt..or police pulling people over to search there cars cause they have a hatchet man sticker on it for no reason

Bad Things 1 child; Blacksburg, SC, United States 15769 posts
18th Jan '13
Quoting ~Ice Princess~:" No one's being punished for no reason at all... I haven't heard they're going around rounding people up for simply showing support for ICP..."


They are being targeted, actually.



There has been many accounts of police stopping and trying to search anyone with a hatchetman bumper sticker or wearing a shirt. It is ridiculous.