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TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23152 posts
23rd Jan '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Destiel:</b>" why dont your hospitals just refuse care to people that dont have insurance or pay up front?"</blockquote>




It's illegal. They are legally required to treat.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23152 posts
23rd Jan '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Destiel:</b>" why dont your hospitals just refuse care to people that dont have insurance or pay up front?"</blockquote>




Of course, people always fail to mention that ERs can't turn people away when discussing the US health care system.

The Master 2 kids; Perth, Australia 19989 posts
23rd Jan '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting Destiel:</b>" why dont your hospitals just refuse care to people ... [snip!] ... to people that dont have insurance or pay up front?"</blockquote> It's illegal. They are legally required to treat."</blockquote>




If America is going to treat health care as big business then why not do this? You cant stay in a hotel, or get on a plane, or really anything without paying up front. Then the ones who cant afford anything can just go to a clinic at amedical school or something to give the students patients to practice on. Thats how vets work here.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23152 posts
23rd Jan '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Destiel:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting Destiel:</b>" ... [snip!] ... can just go to a clinic at amedical school or something to give the students patients to practice on. Thats how vets work here."</blockquote>




That would be logical.
While there were many examples of ERs turning away people who were in urgent need of care, making it illegal makes no sense.
Here, "they" don't want to shift the uninsured to clinics as they want the appearance of everyone getting the same care. It has crippled us. But, the "do-gooders" won and here we are.

The Master 2 kids; Perth, Australia 19989 posts
23rd Jan '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting Destiel:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" ... [snip!] ... as they want the appearance of everyone getting the same care. It has crippled us. But, the "do-gooders" won and here we are."</blockquote>




I just think that if America is going to be purely Capitalist then be that and be proud of it. Make everything a business: healthcare, education, military ... if it cabt sustain itself then it shouldnt happen.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23152 posts
23rd Jan '13
Quoting Destiel:" <blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting Destiel:</b>" ... [snip!] ... proud of it. Make everything a business: healthcare, education, military ... if it cabt sustain itself then it shouldnt happen."


While i have a solid Libertarian streak in me, I believe in having some regulations and not having pure capitalism.
Americans, in general, are proponents of capitalism but not in a pure model.
Our healthcare is far from pure capitalism. It's VERY regulated. Each state has it's own insurance commisiion and they dictate rules on what coverage is required and not required. Medicare guidelines written by the government are what lots of regs and reimbursement rates are pegged to.

Fatty McRunnerPants 2 kids; 4 angel babies; Clearlake, California 59390 posts
23rd Jan '13

IDK why insurance rates are skyrocketing and frankly IDGAF. I just want it to stop.Between the increase in taxes/ deductions this year, my forced retirment and union contributions and the increase in insurance I take home less than I would if I were on welfare. It's a tempting thought: quit my job and go on welfare. I might be able to afford a gym membership still if I did that :roll:

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23152 posts
23rd Jan '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Fatty McRunnerPants:</b>" IDK why insurance rates are skyrocketing and frankly IDGAF. I just want it to stop.Between the increase ... [snip!] ... It's a tempting thought: quit my job and go on welfare. I might be able to afford a gym membership still if I did that :roll:"</blockquote>




That is scary. Our system is so screwed up.

The Master 2 kids; Perth, Australia 19989 posts
23rd Jan '13
Quoting TheNuge:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Fatty McRunnerPants:</b>" IDK why insurance rates are skyrocketing ... [snip!] ... able to afford a gym membership still if I did that :roll:"</blockquote> That is scary. Our system is so screwed up."


It seems crazy to me ... the whole thing.



Here we have public hospitals (generally teaching hospitals) where all care is free. We have some GP's that bulk bill (you don't pay anything, my locum service does this). And if you're on a pension card for seniors and people on disability you get highly subsidized specialist care and prescriptions.



For everything you either pay private health insurance (when I had full coverage for a family of 3 it cost me $68 a fortnight and you get a $400 tax break as well), which the government will actually pay up to 25% for. If you have hospital cover you get to go to a private hospital with silver service, and if you have auxillary cover you get things like homeopathic care, physio, dental, and a list of others. Most insurance companies will pay up to 85% of your costs.

Fatty McRunnerPants 2 kids; 4 angel babies; Clearlake, California 59390 posts
23rd Jan '13
Quoting TheNuge:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Fatty McRunnerPants:</b>" IDK why insurance rates are skyrocketing ... [snip!] ... able to afford a gym membership still if I did that :roll:"</blockquote> That is scary. Our system is so screwed up."


Super scary. I don't think I would mind the insurance premiums so much if I knew that I walked into a hospital and needed surgery again that I wouldn't come out with a $13k bill (I'm paying one off right now from my last endoscopy :shock:) I wouldn't mind coming home with half of what I take home now if I knew that every medical expense was covered, that I could get new glasses once a year, that my child's $25k helicopter ride to the NICU wasn't going to be foisted on me... this shit has just gotten nuts. Obamacare's not going to help, it's just going to make things worse the way I see it, especially from a caseworker's point of view, all the new medicaide apps we're going to see *smh* Mess.

Leisurely Duchess 1 child; Monterey, California 25884 posts
23rd Jan '13
Quoting ❥ Meℓi:" Also, that is why the ER here is always soo f**king busy. People who actually need to be seen by the ... [snip!] ... need to be seen by the ER doctors have to wait forever because there is a ton of people using the ER like their doctors office."


Apparently you don't know bout triage.

Leisurely Duchess 1 child; Monterey, California 25884 posts
23rd Jan '13
Quoting TheNuge:" Thanks liberals! Thanks non-liberals who didn't get off their asses to vote for Romney! It's only going to get worse. Sorry I'm a downer about this but it is reality."


It's more like "thank the GOP for refusing to back reasonable conservatives rather than cryptotheocrats"

Leisurely Duchess 1 child; Monterey, California 25884 posts
23rd Jan '13
Quoting Destiel:" <blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting Destiel:</b>" ... [snip!] ... proud of it. Make everything a business: healthcare, education, military ... if it cabt sustain itself then it shouldnt happen."


There is no such thing as a socially healthy purely capitalist country. There can be no such thing. Capitalism is a form of Social Darwinism, which is a pseudoscientific bastardization of classic Darwinism, and so is destructive to social health, it has to be tempered with something else, usually socialistic principles. All of the developed countries employing capitalism actually have mixed capitalist/socialist systems, as they must if they want to have half-decent infrastructure. That includes America. It's nothing new, it's just that unlearned morons don't know about it.

Leisurely Duchess 1 child; Monterey, California 25884 posts
23rd Jan '13
Quoting Fatty McRunnerPants:" Super scary. I don't think I would mind the insurance premiums so much if I knew that I walked into ... [snip!] ... worse the way I see it, especially from a caseworker's point of view, all the new medicaide apps we're going to see *smh* Mess."


I somewhat agree, but in that the country as a whole is going to have more problems in the near future, and not solely because of health care.

Fatty McRunnerPants 2 kids; 4 angel babies; Clearlake, California 59390 posts
23rd Jan '13
Quoting Leisurely Duchess:" Apparently you don't know bout triage."


The ER here doesn't go by a triage system unless you're literally going to die. Then you MIGHT get seen before you do. I've gone in the ER profusely bleeding out of places that should never bleed and waited an hour, then passed out. I went in 34 weeks pregnant after having a seizure and fading in and out of consciousness while in active labor and had to sit out in the waiting room until my husband raised hell.