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~*Julie Blue Eyes*~ 1 child; Nunya, CA, United States 6197 posts
status 31st Jan '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting eKnuckles:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting Salad Fingers:</b>" Less than 20 years ago, Serbian forces ... [snip!] ... wants it to be going on RIGHT NOW and then she'll be happy. Oh wait, go look at all the torture camps. Guantanamo bay anyone?"</blockquote>




So, the people that control, what is, Guantanamo Bay, are Christians? I asked for an example of CHRISTIANS committing MASS GENOCIDE, IN MODERN HISTORY, simply because the "offenders" weren't Christian.



The world needs to EVOLVE from their cavemen mindsets.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 22821 posts
31st Jan '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Salad Fingers:</b>" Guantanamo. Bagram. Abu Ghraib. Same shit, different coverup. "</blockquote>




Oh please. Do you really think the "torture" at gitmo compares to Taliban torture?

eKnuckles Due February 13; Florida 3438 posts
31st Jan '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:</b>" The point is being missed. Replace "Muslims" with "white people" and then replace "catholics" with "black ... [snip!] ... so did it too". Take religion out of the equation for a second. Think OUTSIDE of WHO the article is pointing the finger at."</blockquote>



If you had posted a different article the response might have been different. Whoever wrote the article was more concerned about their hate for Islam than what was going on, and people saw that.
My response probably would have been the same because I actually know the horrors against muslims and understand how the media hides it. Have you ever posted an article about the genocides against them, I wonder?



Muslims (who are practicing) believe that killing one person is like killing the entire population of people, that's how bad it is.

eKnuckles Due February 13; Florida 3438 posts
31st Jan '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting eKnuckles:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting Salad Fingers:</b>" ... [snip!] ... IN MODERN HISTORY, simply because the "offenders" weren't Christian. The world needs to EVOLVE from their cavemen mindsets."</blockquote>



Did you not read what I wrote? LOOK UP BOSNIA!

eKnuckles Due February 13; Florida 3438 posts
31st Jan '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting Salad Fingers:</b>" Guantanamo. Bagram. Abu Ghraib. Same shit, ... [snip!] ... different coverup. "</blockquote> Oh please. Do you really think the "torture" at gitmo compares to Taliban torture?"</blockquote>




So wait, because the taliban were horrible, it's ok to pick up farmers and throw them into those torture prisons?

Bangtail 50 kids; Katy, Texas 7751 posts
31st Jan '13

I think that this should be afforded equal coverage because it is sad. However, I don't think that Islam is inherently evil. Throughout history, people have acted under the guise of religion for personal gain. It is very easy to coerce people into committing violence by appealing to their religious beliefs, especially in countries where they don't have much access to education. I do think that the media in its attempts to be PC tends to avoid topics where Christians are being killed because they don't set well.



Oh, and for a modern example, Protestants and Catholics have been killing each other for decades in Ireland. That conflict didn't start with religion, really, but they were able to use that as a catalyst.

~*Julie Blue Eyes*~ 1 child; Nunya, CA, United States 6197 posts
status 31st Jan '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Salad Fingers:</b>" Religion isn't out of the equation, though. You're the one who is agreeing that Islam as a whole is ... [snip!] ... is being countered. You can't take something that is the entire point of the thread and debate as a whole out of the equation. "</blockquote>



No.



I posted an opinion piece, that was commentary on ACTUAL EVENTS. I don't see any other religion committing mass murder around the globe. That is ASIDE from the fact that a group of people massacred another group of people.



I already laid out a different scenario with 2 other groups of people so the religious part wasn't the focus.



I HAD to use this particular commentary because I couldn't find an article, stating only the facts, anywhere else.



So, would you feel differently if this was a black/white issue?

user banned 2 kids; Silly, Belgium 6539 posts
31st Jan '13
Quoting TheNuge:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Salad Fingers:</b>" Guantanamo. Bagram. Abu Ghraib. Same shit, ... [snip!] ... different coverup. "</blockquote> Oh please. Do you really think the "torture" at gitmo compares to Taliban torture?"


Are you putting quotations around the word 'torture' to imply that sensory deprivation, waterboarding and dehumanization are not torture?



And where did the taliban torture come from? I am not defending the taliban by any means, but how do large scale military-run, government funded prison camps compare to small time, low budget 'torture chambers' where a handful of people were beaten and beheaded? Taliban also typically had the decency to make deaths as painless as possible because torture is also a severe sin in Islam. Although the taliban was as corrupt as any other government in the middle east and again, more culturally motivated than Islamically. It's all about where the money lies. It's REALLY not as black and white as the mass media leads us to believe.

~*Julie Blue Eyes*~ 1 child; Nunya, CA, United States 6197 posts
status 31st Jan '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Salad Fingers:</b>" Are you putting quotations around the word 'torture' to imply that sensory deprivation, waterboarding ... [snip!] ... Islamically. It's all about where the money lies. It's REALLY not as black and white as the mass media leads us to believe. "</blockquote>



I....just...have no response to this.

Bangtail 50 kids; Katy, Texas 7751 posts
31st Jan '13
Quoting Salad Fingers:" Are you putting quotations around the word 'torture' to imply that sensory deprivation, waterboarding ... [snip!] ... Islamically. It's all about where the money lies. It's REALLY not as black and white as the mass media leads us to believe. "


Are you honestly saying that GB is worse then what terrorists have done to not only Americans, but their own people?

user banned 2 kids; Silly, Belgium 6539 posts
31st Jan '13
Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Salad Fingers:</b>" Religion isn't out of the equation, though. ... [snip!] ... find an article, stating only the facts, anywhere else. So, would you feel differently if this was a black/white issue?"


It's not a black and white issue though. And 99% of the time, with foreign affairs such as these, you don't know for certain unless you're there. For example, I was in Iraq during the invasion. So I know first hand many truths that people may think I was crazy if I were to disclose. Like Al-Qaeda, for example. The non-existent Islamist group that did absolutely nothing against America but had more interest in harassing local Muslims for smoking cigarettes and mixing vegetables in their salads. But the mass media would have you believe differently. Fact of the matter is, anyone that was fighting the U.S. troops were completely independent and happened to own a rifle. How convenient is it that Al-Qaeda shows up only after the invasion and disappears as soon as American forces leave? Why? Because they were only there to take attention away from the bigger things that were going on. My point is, bad things happened, fingers are pointed because they need to be. People need to have a common enemy to hate. Since 9/11, that common enemy has been Muslims and ME, because I have a Middle Eastern name, face scrutiny to this DAY because of the actions of a handful of people. Do you think THAT's fair? Do you think it's fair that I have had people yell racial slurs at me, throw garbage at me from their cars, tell me that "I'm in America now and can take that thing off my head"?



Just like during the cold war, the Russians were the target of stereotyping, the subject of many big films, etc.



Or how during WWII, the Japanese were thrown into war camps just for being Japanese.



Come on man. You're seeing things through media-friendly rose colored glasses and getting all worked up because you want to believe that every article written with a byline has to be true, and if people don't scream out in anger because atrocities were committed by Muslims then they must be Islamofascist sympathizers.



There's evil in every corner of this world. It doesn't matter if the evil ones are Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Polytheist, tribal or sans religion. You can feel for all the victims but you can't stop the evil.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 22821 posts
31st Jan '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Salad Fingers:</b>" Are you putting quotations around the word 'torture' to imply that sensory deprivation, waterboarding ... [snip!] ... Islamically. It's all about where the money lies. It's REALLY not as black and white as the mass media leads us to believe. "</blockquote>




Oh my. I don't know that i can take you seriously now or in future threads.

user banned 2 kids; Silly, Belgium 6539 posts
31st Jan '13
Quoting Bangtail:" Are you honestly saying that GB is worse then what terrorists have done to not only Americans, but their own people?"


How in the blue shiz did you derive that from what I've said? A crime is a crime, but it's irrelevant to compare two that are completely not equal. There's no reading between the lines in what I'm saying. All I'm saying is that torture shouldn't be covered up or attempted to be justified because some other guy did it, too. For crying out loud, man. If I hadn't disclosed the fact that I am Muslim then you would've never drawn that conclusion from what I said. I even added the disclaimer that I wouldn't ever defend the taliban. They're a bunch of corrupt fuckups who are, again, pursuing a politically motivated agenda under the guise of Islam.

Booger & Bubba's Mommy 18 kids; Illinois 8136 posts
31st Jan '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:</b>" The point is being missed. Replace "Muslims" with "white people" and then replace "catholics" with "black ... [snip!] ... so did it too". Take religion out of the equation for a second. Think OUTSIDE of WHO the article is pointing the finger at."</blockquote>




What do you suppose the US do? Anything would cost money putting the country further in debt. Them you would blame Obama for that too.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 22821 posts
31st Jan '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Salad Fingers:</b>" How in the blue shiz did you derive that from what I've said? A crime is a crime, but it's irrelevant ... [snip!] ... taliban. They're a bunch of corrupt fuckups who are, again, pursuing a politically motivated agenda under the guise of Islam. "</blockquote>




Maybe you should reread what you wrote.