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user banned 2 kids; Silly, Belgium 6539 posts
31st Jan '13
Quoting TheNuge:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Salad Fingers:</b>" Are you putting quotations around the word ... [snip!] ... leads us to believe. "</blockquote> Oh my. I don't know that i can take you seriously now or in future threads."


What's that supposed to mean? You're the one who put quotations around the word "torture" as if to say that the aforementioned things were not torture. That's justifying it. Do you even know why beheadings are popular for these so-called Islamic extremists? Because it's the quickest and most humane way that they can kill someone with their lack of technology. It's not like they have doctors on staff that can make a cocktail to euthanize their prisoners. It's not to say they SHOULD BE KILLING ANYONE AT ALL, BECAUSE THEY SHOULDN'T, (caps to emphasize point).



Case in point: Two wrongs don't make a right. Taliban torture does not mean that it's okay for random people to be tortured because they may or may not have ties to bin Laden, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban.

eKnuckles Due February 13; Florida 3438 posts
31st Jan '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Salad Fingers:</b>" It's not a black and white issue though. And 99% of the time, with foreign affairs such as these, you ... [snip!] ... Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Polytheist, tribal or sans religion. You can feel for all the victims but you can't stop the evil."</blockquote>




You should check out the book 'The wahabi myth', if you havent already. It's a very good book dealing with this among other things (such as the supposed group that calls themselves wahabi....there is none just to spoil it for you lol).

Bangtail 50 kids; Katy, Texas 7751 posts
31st Jan '13
Quoting Salad Fingers:" How in the blue shiz did you derive that from what I've said? A crime is a crime, but it's irrelevant ... [snip!] ... taliban. They're a bunch of corrupt fuckups who are, again, pursuing a politically motivated agenda under the guise of Islam. "


No, religion has absolutely nothing to do with it. That I can promise. Your post made it sound like what was going on in GB was worse then what occurred under the Taliban. If that's not what you meant then by all means clarify.

eKnuckles Due February 13; Florida 3438 posts
31st Jan '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Salad Fingers:</b>" What's that supposed to mean? You're the one who put quotations around the word "torture" as if to ... [snip!] ... that it's okay for random people to be tortured because they may or may not have ties to bin Laden, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban."</blockquote>



Plus they dont even know if those drugs are really humane. All they know is it keep them from screaming. Whereas a head being chopped off is instant death.

user banned 2 kids; Silly, Belgium 6539 posts
31st Jan '13
Quoting TheNuge:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Salad Fingers:</b>" How in the blue shiz did you derive ... [snip!] ... a politically motivated agenda under the guise of Islam. "</blockquote> Maybe you should reread what you wrote."


"And where did the taliban torture come from? I am not defending the taliban by any means, but how do large scale military-run, government funded prison camps compare to small time, low budget 'torture chambers' where a handful of people were beaten and beheaded?"



My meaning of this was it's apples and oranges. Taliban was small scale - can't be compared to 3 prison camps with anonymity, government money and highly trained military personnel.



"Taliban also typically had the decency to make deaths as painless as possible because torture is also a severe sin in Islam."



Perhaps this was unnecessary, but I did elaborate on this in my last post. I felt the need to say it because of all of the beheading videos that were popularized on the internet a few years back that a lot of Muslims caught a bad rap for. It's not me trying to justify it.



"Although the taliban was as corrupt as any other government in the middle east and again, more culturally motivated than Islamically. It's all about where the money lies. It's REALLY not as black and white as the mass media leads us to believe."



This was an attempt for me to clarify that I don't see the Taliban as a strictly Islamic group, rather as a politically motivated one with a monetary agenda. It's not a bunch of Muslims hating non-Muslims. It's a bunch of guys, who happen to be Muslim and realize that the religious campaign via propaganda works to get people on their side and offer monetary support to their so-called cause. These are things that aren't shown by the news and media. Any one of the people involved in the Taliban would sell out their religion for a lamborghini any day of the week.

Bangtail 50 kids; Katy, Texas 7751 posts
31st Jan '13
Quoting eKnuckles:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Salad Fingers:</b>" What's that supposed to mean? You're the ... [snip!] ... those drugs are really humane. All they know is it keep them from screaming. Whereas a head being chopped off is instant death."


Wow.

eKnuckles Due February 13; Florida 3438 posts
31st Jan '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Bangtail:</b>" Wow."</blockquote>




Oh yeah. I totally support instant death rather than torture.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 22822 posts
31st Jan '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting eKnuckles:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting Salad Fingers:</b>" What's that supposed to mean? You're the ... [snip!] ... those drugs are really humane. All they know is it keep them from screaming. Whereas a head being chopped off is instant death."</blockquote>




I'm going to choose to laugh.

user banned 2 kids; Silly, Belgium 6539 posts
31st Jan '13
Quoting eKnuckles:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Salad Fingers:</b>" It's not a black and white issue though. ... [snip!] ... among other things (such as the supposed group that calls themselves wahabi....there is none just to spoil it for you lol)."


I'm familiar with the book although I haven't read it. To be honest, I'm not even that religious in the sense that I ascribe to any particular group within Islam. I don't even like to make the distinction between sunni and shi3aa because I know when the split between the two groups happened back in the 70s. My parents told me of a time when we used to live together in peace but were then encouraged to fight each other. I don't think it's a fight worth fighting although my family is sunni. I do wear hijab and pray obviously but I'm not a niqabi like you but I respect that.

eKnuckles Due February 13; Florida 3438 posts
31st Jan '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Salad Fingers:</b>" "And where did the taliban torture come from? I am not defending the taliban by any means, but how do ... [snip!] ... and media. Any one of the people involved in the Taliban would sell out their religion for a lamborghini any day of the week."</blockquote>




The ikhwaanul muslimeem (muslim brotherhood) is similiar in the fact that they are political, rather than a religiously motivated group. Their leaders said it themselves (and their actions prove it).
Slightly off topic again, but oh well.

Bangtail 50 kids; Katy, Texas 7751 posts
31st Jan '13
Quoting eKnuckles:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Bangtail:</b>" Wow."</blockquote> Oh yeah. I totally support instant death rather than torture."


There is something wrong with you.

user banned 2 kids; Silly, Belgium 6539 posts
31st Jan '13
Quoting eKnuckles:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Salad Fingers:</b>" "And where did the taliban torture come ... [snip!] ... motivated group. Their leaders said it themselves (and their actions prove it). Slightly off topic again, but oh well."


I actually respected people like Syed Qutb and Hassan al-Banna, the original ikhwanis, for what they were attempting to do back in their hayday. Which is fight a corrupt government. It sucks that most of our countries are run by corruption. I cry when I watch Iraqi news because there is so much injustice every single day, and I see my family members overseas have been starting to miss Saddam more and more because Nouri al-Maliki in driving Iraq into the ground and preventing any positive progression in Iraq. Not to mention the marginalization of Sunnis in southern Iraq. I commend anyone who stands up against the tyrants.

eKnuckles Due February 13; Florida 3438 posts
31st Jan '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Salad Fingers:</b>" I'm familiar with the book although I haven't read it. To be honest, I'm not even that religious in ... [snip!] ... fighting although my family is sunni. I do wear hijab and pray obviously but I'm not a niqabi like you but I respect that."</blockquote>




Aw thanks. Just to be fair thats not me in the default pic but alhamdulilah yeah I am niqabi.



People have religious differences but you cant just kill them for it. The majority of the people alive would agree with that.

user banned 2 kids; Silly, Belgium 6539 posts
31st Jan '13

I find it very interesting that majority of people replying are choosing to cherry pick posts. Until now, the Bosnian genocide hasn't been addressed. Whereas eKnuckles and I are addressing practically everything that's brought into the conversation, in detail.

eKnuckles Due February 13; Florida 3438 posts
31st Jan '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Bangtail:</b>" There is something wrong with you."</blockquote>
For not supporting people to be tortured to death? Ho-kayy