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justanothamotha Due January 20; 130 kids; Climax, Michigan 5120 posts
7th Feb '13
Quoting Dr.Clandestine:" <blockquote><b>Quoting justanothamotha:</b>" What levels arne't normal post thyroid ... [snip!] ... thyroid replacement, and my levels weren't normal and I did have a MC. My TSH, t3 and t4 aren't normal, but they are close."

Have they tried that therapy where they go in & puncture the ovaries 1000000 times to try to force down androgen levels?

Dr.Clandestine 1 angel baby; Stockholm, Sweden 1218 posts
7th Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting justanothamotha:</b>" Have they tried that therapy where they go in & puncture the ovaries 1000000 times to try to force down androgen levels?"</blockquote>




My levels are normal, well on the high end of it, only because I don't ovulate.

justanothamotha Due January 20; 130 kids; Climax, Michigan 5120 posts
7th Feb '13
Quoting Dr.Clandestine:" <blockquote><b>Quoting justanothamotha:</b>" Have they tried that therapy where they ... [snip!] ... down androgen levels?"</blockquote> My levels are normal, well on the high end of it, only because I don't ovulate."

Okay - how about ovarian drilling? Have they tried that?

Dr.Clandestine 1 angel baby; Stockholm, Sweden 1218 posts
7th Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting justanothamotha:</b>" Okay - how about ovarian drilling? Have they tried that?"</blockquote>



That's what I thought you were talking about.
Success rates are less than 50% and conception after is around the same.

justanothamotha Due January 20; 130 kids; Climax, Michigan 5120 posts
7th Feb '13
Quoting Dr.Clandestine:" <blockquote><b>Quoting justanothamotha:</b>" Okay - how about ovarian drilling? Have ... [snip!] ... That's what I thought you were talking about. Success rates are less than 50% and conception after is around the same."

No _ I couldn't recall the name of the one - they did lots of microscopic holes in my cousin's & it worked for quite a while. Hers came back, but it helped for a number of years. She was not TTC, she was just dealing with facial hairs & such & no periods. I thought the other had a better success rate (drilling), like maybe 60% or so. That is only like 5-10 holes or something & meant to induce ovulation if the ovary has hardened. Correct em where I am wrong. I have not had this - I have just known a lot of women with fertility issues due to my own issues with miscarriage.

Dr.Clandestine 1 angel baby; Stockholm, Sweden 1218 posts
7th Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting justanothamotha:</b>" No _ I couldn't recall the name of the one - they did lots of microscopic holes in my cousin's & ... [snip!] ... I am wrong. I have not had this - I have just known a lot of women with fertility issues due to my own issues with miscarriage."</blockquote>




laparoscopic ovarian cystectomy?



I have never have a cyst grow large enough to warrant birth control or anything, my pcos is considered mild. I have issues with insulin resistance and hair growth, but metformin and byetta help those. The hair growth only ovulation helps.

justanothamotha Due January 20; 130 kids; Climax, Michigan 5120 posts
7th Feb '13
Quoting Dr.Clandestine:" <blockquote><b>Quoting justanothamotha:</b>" No _ I couldn't recall the name of the ... [snip!] ... have issues with insulin resistance and hair growth, but metformin and byetta help those. The hair growth only ovulation helps."

But if the ovarian procedure would help with ovulation, wouldn't it be worth trying. It didn't seem to be terribly invasive. It seems like it'd be worth a shot.



I remember her saying something about "keyhole" but I think any laproscopic procedure can be called a keyhole procedure.



And FWIW I do think in some cases they should cover it. For instance, in our case, they coudl cover IVF with PGD cheaper than covering me for all the miscarriages & tests whatnot. It would have been cheaper for them in the long run & as it turns out is the only treatment for our issue. It also would nearly completely ensure that we don't have a disabled child they are then covering bills for as well. ;)

Dr.Clandestine 1 angel baby; Stockholm, Sweden 1218 posts
7th Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting justanothamotha:</b>" But if the ovarian procedure would help with ovulation, wouldn't it be worth trying. It didn't seem to ... [snip!] ... issue. It also would nearly completely ensure that we don't have a disabled child they are then covering bills for as well. ;)"</blockquote>




I had a genetic panel done my husband is part Jew, PGD isn't needed for me I believe.



We are looking into more advanced choices at the end of the year, right now I just wanna start femara lol. My list at the end of the year includes drilling if needed, I can't handle anesthesia so it would be cruel to do a egg retrieval awake.

justanothamotha Due January 20; 130 kids; Climax, Michigan 5120 posts
7th Feb '13
Quoting Dr.Clandestine:" <blockquote><b>Quoting justanothamotha:</b>" But if the ovarian procedure would help ... [snip!] ... at the end of the year includes drilling if needed, I can't handle anesthesia so it would be cruel to do a egg retrieval awake."

Couldn't they do a spinal block or something & just a lot of xanax? That may sound stupid, it just seems like there should be options.

Dr.Clandestine 1 angel baby; Stockholm, Sweden 1218 posts
7th Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting justanothamotha:</b>" Couldn't they do a spinal block or something & just a lot of xanax? That may sound stupid, it just seems like there should be options."</blockquote>




I have other issues that make epidurals and spinal blocks impossible. I hope it doesn't come to IVF, I just can't justify that amount of money on a gamble. 30k would pay for adoption or a gestional carrier. We aren't there yet and my mind turns at it already.
I gotta take it a step at a time to maintain my sanity.

justanothamotha Due January 20; 130 kids; Climax, Michigan 5120 posts
7th Feb '13
Quoting Dr.Clandestine:" <blockquote><b>Quoting justanothamotha:</b>" Couldn't they do a spinal block or something ... [snip!] ... carrier. We aren't there yet and my mind turns at it already. I gotta take it a step at a time to maintain my sanity."

Well if it makes you feel any better I've never known anyone who had to do IVF for PCOS, at most IUI has been as far as they have gone & every person I know who has seen it through has a baby now.
Hhave you ever tried Vitex/chasteberry? It's a supplement to increase endocrine function. it's well researched - even some Harvard studies...

Dr.Clandestine 1 angel baby; Stockholm, Sweden 1218 posts
7th Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting justanothamotha:</b>" Well if it makes you feel any better I've never known anyone who had to do IVF for PCOS, at most IUI ... [snip!] ... tried Vitex/chasteberry? It's a supplement to increase endocrine function. it's well researched - even some Harvard studies..."</blockquote>




I have, it doesn't do a lot except increase my A1C levels. :( if I could grow it, I would take it, the pills are bound with sugar or other herbs.

Dr.Clandestine 1 angel baby; Stockholm, Sweden 1218 posts
7th Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Dr.Clandestine:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting justanothamotha:</b>" Well if it makes you feel any better I've ... [snip!] ... do a lot except increase my A1C levels. :( if I could grow it, I would take it, the pills are bound with sugar or other herbs."</blockquote>



It also messes with my adderall, lol.

justanothamotha Due January 20; 130 kids; Climax, Michigan 5120 posts
7th Feb '13
Quoting Dr.Clandestine:" <blockquote><b>Quoting justanothamotha:</b>" Well if it makes you feel any better I've ... [snip!] ... do a lot except increase my A1C levels. :( if I could grow it, I would take it, the pills are bound with sugar or other herbs."

well shit momma - I think I am outta any even remotely useful ideas. ;)
You know how it is, you always hope something you have been through, even all the reading might be a clue to help someone else through a bit easier.

Dr.Clandestine 1 angel baby; Stockholm, Sweden 1218 posts
7th Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting justanothamotha:</b>" well shit momma - I think I am outta any even remotely useful ideas. ;) You know how it is, you always ... [snip!] ... always hope something you have been through, even all the reading might be a clue to help someone else through a bit easier."</blockquote>



I found a doctor who is good and just going to wait and see how I respond to meds, no reason to lose sleep over what I can't control.




Infertility is hard and if you haven't battled it, you can't feel how messed up it is to not have a hand with at least costs. Those who against it more than likely have a child in their arms that took little effort to be here on this earth, I have every right to feel that joy.