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TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23136 posts
16th Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Sofia's Mummy♥:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting Sofia's Mummy♥:</b>" ... [snip!] ... biased advertising that makes Breastfeeding seem inadequate and infers that formula fee babies are happier and healthier."</blockquote>




It's not advertised as better here. It's just advertised as an option and shows that babies are happy. Should they show unhappy and sick babies in the ads?? :)
Formula is outrageous expensive here as it is heavily subsidized by the government. Everything subsidized by the government is more expensive. If our government didn't interfere with this market, the prices would be lower.... At least in the US.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23136 posts
16th Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Sofia's Mummy♥:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting .Colleen.:</b>" I feel like that is really a cop out. I ... [snip!] ... It would bother me too, that my doctor is getting paid by a corporation to push something which is less than the best on me."</blockquote>




Who is paying your docs?

justanothamotha Due January 20; 130 kids; Climax, Michigan 5120 posts
16th Feb '13
Quoting TheNuge:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Sofia's Mummy♥:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting ... [snip!] ... is more expensive. If our government didn't interfere with this market, the prices would be lower.... At least in the US."

Actually that isn't true at all. The book I referenced & this study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1481608/
which shows that the government receives enormous rebates on infant formula from the manufacturers resulting in the government paying PENNIES per can of formula. the price then is increased to everyone who does NOT get WIC to cover the "losses" the company takes on WIC formula. You should read the full study (by an Econ professor) to explain better what the motivation is for the formula makers & how WIC does in fact increase the number of children on formula versus breastfed. So the government is just taking really cheap formula & distributing it. The companies are price setting to make up for the huge rebates the government gets - they are NOT subsidizing it in any way, far from it. Do you have some links on why you think there are subsidies involved?

user banned Lesbos, Greece 95211 posts
17th Feb '13
Quoting .Colleen.:" I see where you are coming from, I just want to put out there that I was determined to breastfeed even ... [snip!] ... while I was pregnant. I really don't see it having an effect of the majority of moms making the decision between BF and FF."


I don't either.



I formula fed because I was too damn frustrated with my latch problems (which affected all 3 kids I tried to breastfeed so it wasn't them, it was me) which no LC could help me with. I tried exclusively pumping but it is extremely time consuming. I had to pump every 3-4 hours so I couldn't go anywhere for any extended amount of time.



Formula was just really the best option for my mental health overall.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23136 posts
17th Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting justanothamotha:</b>" Actually that isn't true at all. The book I referenced & this study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1481608/ ... [snip!] ... - they are NOT subsidizing it in any way, far from it. Do you have some links on why you think there are subsidies involved? "</blockquote>




I'm saying that the market price is higher as the government is involved. You have proved my point.

justanothamotha Due January 20; 130 kids; Climax, Michigan 5120 posts
17th Feb '13
Quoting TheNuge:" <blockquote><b>Quoting justanothamotha:</b>" Actually that isn't true at all. The book ... [snip!] ... "</blockquote> I'm saying that the market price is higher as the government is involved. You have proved my point."

I know the government is involved but not through subsidies. Subsidizing means that you are either supporting an activity or organization financially or that you are paying part of the cost of production in order to reduce the price. So it isn't what is happening in formula unless you mean the overall stuff the government does to subsidized the dairy industry as a whole.



And yes, half of all formula is given through WIC, so likely they could half the price of formula on the shelf if they did away with WIC & people just bought their own. However, there would still be those that could not afford it at half the price & many of those on WIC could afford it if it were half price, so it creates a cycle. It keep the cost high & more people end up going on WIC, which means the price goes up again for those that CAN pay. It is interesting to me though that you find fault with the government for that instead of realizing they were shmoozed into a very low cost program by the manufacturers. If you held government office & a manufacturer said to you "We'll give this to YOU practically free to hand out as part of your social program" would you say no & have the taxpayers funding paying full price for formula? And I don't know your position on WIC, but if it is saying WIC shouldn't exist, that isn't important for the sake of this issue, as that isn't going to happen any time soon.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23136 posts
17th Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting justanothamotha:</b>" I know the government is involved but not through subsidies. Subsidizing means that you are either supporting ... [snip!] ... it is saying WIC shouldn't exist, that isn't important for the sake of this issue, as that isn't going to happen any time soon."</blockquote>




I like what WIC was I tended for. I do t like how it has grown and includes the non-poor. There are other positives about WIC in terms of the distribution model. I prefer the WIC model to food stamps.
Regarding the issue of the subsidy, WIC is a subsidy just not the more common type. The government is providing free stuff that is industry-specific and it alters the market significantly by making the product more expensive.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23136 posts
17th Feb '13
Quoting justanothamotha:" I know the government is involved but not through subsidies. Subsidizing means that you are either supporting ... [snip!] ... it is saying WIC shouldn't exist, that isn't important for the sake of this issue, as that isn't going to happen any time soon."


And, for what it's worth, i find fault with the government program AND the schmoozing by manufacturers.
I mentioned the government's role in altering the marketplace as it doesn in MANY other important aspects of our lives and leads to much higher costs.

taking a look at life Palm beach gardens, FL, United States 49151 posts
18th Feb '13
Quoting justanothamotha:" Actually that isn't true at all. The book I referenced & this study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1481608/ ... [snip!] ... - they are NOT subsidizing it in any way, far from it. Do you have some links on why you think there are subsidies involved? "



:? here WIC incurages BF they even ask u why ur not doing it make u watch a veido about it ect..... I did not BF with my son because of medication but this time i did till almost 8 months :lol:
there's a lot of factors that made me stop i go to school 2 times a week and theres not where to pump, days im home i have a lot on my plate with 2 kids my son has baseball ect.

Mrs. Conan O'Brien 2 kids; Colorado 20924 posts
18th Feb '13
Quoting Click Me Click Me!!!:" :? here WIC incurages BF they even ask u why ur not doing it make u watch a veido about it ect..... ... [snip!] ... school 2 times a week and theres not where to pump, days im home i have a lot on my plate with 2 kids my son has baseball ect."


*encourages



& good for you... I don't believe she was talking specifically about you, but in general.

Sofie+#2 Due March 18; TTC since Jun 2014; 1 child; Sheffield, So, United Kingdom 7747 posts
18th Feb '13
Quoting TheNuge:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Sofia's Mummy♥:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting ... [snip!] ... paid by a corporation to push something which is less than the best on me."</blockquote> Who is paying your docs?"



is that a reference to the UK having a national health service? some of our doctors are public sector and some are private.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23136 posts
18th Feb '13
Quoting Sofia's Mummy♥:" is that a reference to the UK having a national health service? some of our doctors are public sector and some are private. "


You mentioned that corporations are paying your docs to push formula on you so i was wondering where that assertion came from.

Sofie+#2 Due March 18; TTC since Jun 2014; 1 child; Sheffield, So, United Kingdom 7747 posts
19th Feb '13
Quoting TheNuge:" You mentioned that corporations are paying your docs to push formula on you so i was wondering where that assertion came from."


i was talking specifically about your doctors actually

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23136 posts
19th Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Sofia's Mummy♥:</b>" i was talking specifically about your doctors actually"</blockquote>




Our docs aren't paid by the formula industry. Are there medical advisors on their boards? Sure. Are there docs that do research for them? Sure. Consumers want and need medical professionals to provide valuable info and advice.
I assure you that my OB, pediatrician and family docs are NOT paid by the formula industry.

Sofie+#2 Due March 18; TTC since Jun 2014; 1 child; Sheffield, So, United Kingdom 7747 posts
19th Feb '13
Quoting TheNuge:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Sofia's Mummy♥:</b>" i was talking specifically about ... [snip!] ... provide valuable info and advice. I assure you that my OB, pediatrician and family docs are NOT paid by the formula industry."



AAP and WHO conference are often sponsored by companies like nestle. they in particular have their fingers in all of the medical pies.
also, a study funded by a formula company is not unbiased and shouldnt be put forward to a consumer as fair and independent medical research. Any idiot can figure that out.