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KissMeFinnNelson<3 1 child; 2 angel babies; Glasgow, Scotland, UK, United Kingdom 5401 posts
19th Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting 10 til Gwen:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting ~Julie ... [snip!] ... I do understand there is a small percentage of women who are in distress because of rape or incest or something like that."</blockquote>




What do you mean many women aren't given any choice?? Having an abortion is something women choose to do, forced abortion is not legal so to see many women aren't given a choice is ridiculous. Also to say abortion is taken lightly and that is proven by the sheer numbers of it doesn't make sense either, wether it is 1 abortion or 100 that gives no indication as to how lightly the women took that decision, numbers show nothing.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23130 posts
19th Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting ~Ice Princess~:</b>" Never said it wasn't. So is killing an animal..for food."</blockquote>




I don't think you are equating choosing to have a burger with choosing to abort a baby, are you?

Nicola =) 1 child; Huntsville, Alabama 2783 posts
19th Feb '13
Quoting TheNuge:" <blockquote><b>Quoting ~Ice Princess~:</b>" Never said it wasn't. So is killing ... [snip!] ... food."</blockquote> I don't think you are equating choosing to have a burger with choosing to abort a baby, are you?"


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Surely not?

......... nowhere, NW, United States 25972 posts
19th Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting ~Ice Princess~:</b>" Never said it wasn't. So is killing ... [snip!] ... food."</blockquote> I don't think you are equating choosing to have a burger with choosing to abort a baby, are you?"</blockquote>




Why not?



If we're talking about killing living things, it applies. Is an animal not living?
I'd say even more so than an embryo...

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23130 posts
19th Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting ~Ice Princess~:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting ~Ice Princess~:</b>" ... [snip!] ... If we're talking about killing living things, it applies. Is an animal not living? I'd say even more so than an embryo..."</blockquote>




It's extreme arguments like that that add fuel to the fire of the debate and make "pro-choices" seem as radical as those who carry signs with pictures of aborted babies.

KissMeFinnNelson<3 1 child; 2 angel babies; Glasgow, Scotland, UK, United Kingdom 5401 posts
19th Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting ~Ice Princess~:</b>" Never said it wasn't. So is killing ... [snip!] ... food."</blockquote> I don't think you are equating choosing to have a burger with choosing to abort a baby, are you?"</blockquote>



Why not? An animal is still a life and also in terms of food products Pepsi use the cells from aborted fetus' in their products too.... I believe it's something to do with the flavouring in their drink and the testing of it.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23130 posts
19th Feb '13
Quoting xTJ:" <blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting ~Ice Princess~:</b>" ... [snip!] ... fetus' in their products too.... I believe it's something to do with the flavouring in their drink and the testing of it."


Links regarding Pepsi?

And, if you have the position that choosing to eat a burger is the same as choosing to abort a baby, I put you in the extremist category with the pro-life kooks.

user banned 1 child; Nunya, CA, United States 6369 posts
19th Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting xTJ:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting 10 ... [snip!] ... wether it is 1 abortion or 100 that gives no indication as to how lightly the women took that decision, numbers show nothing."</blockquote>




Many women believe abortion is their only choice because other options aren't freely given...or supported.



I didn't day that women took the decision to abort, lighty. I'm saying that the sheer number of abortions, on the whole, does indicate a laxed attitude about not becoming pregnant in the first place. I see FAR too much evidence, to see it any other way.

KissMeFinnNelson<3 1 child; 2 angel babies; Glasgow, Scotland, UK, United Kingdom 5401 posts
19th Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" Links regarding Pepsi? And, if you have the position that choosing to eat a burger is the same as choosing to abort a baby, I put you in the extremist category with the pro-life kooks."</blockquote>




What do you mean "links"? I'm quite sure you could Google the issue and see it for yourself all over the internet but yes here is a link regardless



http://www.naturalnews.com/035276_Pepsi_fetal_cells_business_operations.html



I believe that what was compared was taking an animal life is still the taking of a life and no one cares much about that life. Not that eating a burger is the same as having an abortion but you know whatever spin suits.

KissMeFinnNelson<3 1 child; 2 angel babies; Glasgow, Scotland, UK, United Kingdom 5401 posts
19th Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting xTJ:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:</b>" ... [snip!] ... a laxed attitude about not becoming pregnant in the first place. I see FAR too much evidence, to see it any other way."</blockquote>



How so? There are support networks for single Mothers, financial help for those struggling, the option of adoption, support groups for birth Mothers, etc, etc, etc are they not? Yes there is so to say the other options are not supported or available is ludicrous, there are always other options but if a woman chooses abortion as best for her then that is her prerogative. To say that abortion is the only real and supported option is a complete lie, in a lot of cases it can be the most opposed option with many people actively seeking to stop the women going through with it.



Yes I do actually agree that for instance if abortion was illegal more people would be more strict on themselves about birth control however whatever the case I don't agree the decision to abort is ever taken lightly.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23130 posts
19th Feb '13
Quoting xTJ:" <blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" Links regarding Pepsi? And, if you have ... [snip!] ... no one cares much about that life. Not that eating a burger is the same as having an abortion but you know whatever spin suits."


i have to leave for a few hours very soon but i will look into the Pepsi issue later.
Taking a life due to being an omnivore is totally different from taking the life of ones own child.

......... nowhere, NW, United States 25972 posts
19th Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" Links regarding Pepsi? And, if you have the position that choosing to eat a burger is the same as choosing to abort a baby, I put you in the extremist category with the pro-life kooks."</blockquote>




Not an extremist at all. Taking a life was mentioned and I said killing an animal was also taking a life. Is it not?



I do not place humans above animals (the warm blooded and maybe birds...not insects).

......... nowhere, NW, United States 25972 posts
19th Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting xTJ:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" Links regarding Pepsi? And, if you have ... [snip!] ... no one cares much about that life. Not that eating a burger is the same as having an abortion but you know whatever spin suits."</blockquote>




Thank you.



Just buying and eating a burger? Not exactly the same, but it does contribute to the killing of animals.

......... nowhere, NW, United States 25972 posts
19th Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" i have to leave for a few hours very soon but i will look into the Pepsi issue later. Taking a life due to being an omnivore is totally different from taking the life of ones own child."</blockquote>




Well yes, I agree but we're not talking about a fully developed child. We are talking about, on most occasions, an embryo. More specifically one less than 9 weeks gestation when most abortions are performed.

......... nowhere, NW, United States 25972 posts
19th Feb '13

Stupid phone...