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......... nowhere, NW, United States 25972 posts
18th Feb '13
Quoting Red Bottom:" <blockquote><b>Quoting ~Ice Princess~:</b>" Yep. But not to be sexy. I bought them ... [snip!] ... be sexy. I bought them because I like them..."</blockquote> You like them for what reason? They make you feel pretty?"


I buy shirts for the material, the pattern, etc.
If it's too low, I buy an undershirt because I don't like my body hanging all out...5 years ago, sure. But not so much anymore. And a push up bra? Well, I don't want saggy b**bs. That's not wanting them to be sexualized, that's wanting to look decent (all over) in my old age...

Red Bottom TTC since Apr 2014; 2 kids; Middelfart, Denmark 15307 posts
18th Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting ~Ice Princess~:</b>" I buy shirts for the material, the pattern, etc. If it's too low, I buy an undershirt because I don't ... [snip!] ... I don't want saggy b**bs. That's not wanting them to be sexualized, that's wanting to look decent (all over) in my old age..."</blockquote>




Why do you associate perky b**bs with being presentable?

Ellie. 34 kids; Arizona 25371 posts
18th Feb '13
Quoting Red Bottom:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Man. Bear. Pig.:</b>" You said it was sexually motivated. I ... [snip!] ... no common sense or logic used in this. So I can't debate it. I can only draw attention to the fact that its really dumb."

Have a good day.

......... nowhere, NW, United States 25972 posts
18th Feb '13
Quoting Red Bottom:" <blockquote><b>Quoting ~Ice Princess~:</b>" Um, some people get those same feelings ... [snip!] ... yes, the comparison is still comparable..."</blockquote> No. Your arguing science with opinion and its not working."



I am not. Look it up.
Feet and the like CAN be sexually stimulating and cause the same effects as one who is turned on by their breasts being fondled. They are secondary erogenous zones just like breasts...nearly the WHOLE body is.

Red Bottom TTC since Apr 2014; 2 kids; Middelfart, Denmark 15307 posts
18th Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting ~Ice Princess~:</b>" I am not. Look it up. Feet and the like CAN be sexually stimulating and cause the same effects as ... [snip!] ... is turned on by their breasts being fondled. They are secondary erogenous zones just like breasts...nearly the WHOLE body is."</blockquote>




No. Feet, in no way, stimulate the female reproductive organs in the same mechanical way that nipples do.



Someone might have a fettish, that does not mean the Body reacts the same scientific way.

......... nowhere, NW, United States 25972 posts
18th Feb '13
Quoting Red Bottom:" <blockquote><b>Quoting ~Ice Princess~:</b>" I buy shirts for the material, the pattern, ... [snip!] ... to look decent (all over) in my old age..."</blockquote> Why do you associate perky b**bs with being presentable?"


They look nice to ME. They look more proportionate to my WHOLE look.




I don't give a shit how people I don't know view my body as being sexual or not. I care about my opinion of it and my husband's. That's it. If he thinks they're sexy, fine. That's his opinion..not mine. I'm not overly sexualizing anything for society as a whole.

......... nowhere, NW, United States 25972 posts
18th Feb '13
Quoting Red Bottom:" <blockquote><b>Quoting ~Ice Princess~:</b>" I am not. Look it up. Feet and the ... [snip!] ... mechanical way that nipples do. Someone might have a fettish, that does not mean the Cody reacts the same scientific way."


Link?

Red Bottom TTC since Apr 2014; 2 kids; Middelfart, Denmark 15307 posts
18th Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting ~Ice Princess~:</b>" Link?"</blockquote>




Pick one



https://www.google.com/search?q=nipple+stimulation+and+sex&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari

......... nowhere, NW, United States 25972 posts
18th Feb '13
Quoting Red Bottom:" <blockquote><b>Quoting ~Ice Princess~:</b>" I am not. Look it up. Feet and the ... [snip!] ... mechanical way that nipples do. Someone might have a fettish, that does not mean the Cody reacts the same scientific way."


I assume you're talking about the let down of oxytocin. I know that there's a link to it and the uterus.



But oxytocin applies to much more than the breasts. It's called the LOVE hormone for a reason. It can be let down by touch of other body parts.



You can have an orgasm by being touched in other areas of the body, including the feet. This causes contractions of the uterus too.



http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128795325



There are many, many books I could link on orgasm and other body parts.

......... nowhere, NW, United States 25972 posts
18th Feb '13
Quoting Red Bottom:" <blockquote><b>Quoting ~Ice Princess~:</b>" Link?"</blockquote> Pick one https://www.google.com/search?q=nipple+stimulation+and+sex&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari"


Your link doesn't work.



And that's a google search. It proves nothing.

Red Bottom TTC since Apr 2014; 2 kids; Middelfart, Denmark 15307 posts
18th Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting ~Ice Princess~:</b>" Your link doesn't work. And that's a google search. It proves nothing."</blockquote>




The link works and it goes to endless links about the direct relation of nipple stimulation to reproduction. Enjoy the read.

......... nowhere, NW, United States 25972 posts
18th Feb '13

BTW
I'm one of those oddballs. Only it's my back and butt cheeks. A good massage there, and I could go at any minute. But my breasts? Nope. Not much feeling there or in my nipples.

......... nowhere, NW, United States 25972 posts
18th Feb '13
Quoting Red Bottom:" <blockquote><b>Quoting ~Ice Princess~:</b>" Your link doesn't work. And that's ... [snip!] ... The link works and it goes to endless links about the direct relation of nipple stimulation to reproduction. Enjoy the read."



Not when I pull it up. I even typed it in again and got nothing.



Pull up an actual link. Not a google search.



Scientifically, as you like to say, nearly the entire body is a big secondary erogenous zone and can/does have the same effect as nipple stimulation.




My point still stands. We're all different. What one finds sexual another may not. If we're offended by one part of the body because it may or may not be sexual, we should just cover them all up because another person might find something else sexual and offensive. Again, maybe we should just be covered by burqas.

Stfu Squirrel District of Columbia 8554 posts
18th Feb '13
Quoting Man. Bear. Pig.:" I see your point as well. The more we are okay with sexuality, the more it opens doors to freaks who WILL get off on showing their genitals to others. ."


This is the only thing you've said here that I am inclined to disagree with...only because it seems to me like if we were more okay with sexuality, and I mean REAL bodies and sexuality, not hyped-up airbrushed impossible versions of it, then it might actually benefit our kids.
Girls are shamed for growing breasts too early and shamed for growing them too late, shamed for gaining too much weight and shamed for not gaining enough. Idk as much about boys because I've never been one, but it goes for them too, just differently. When we see bodies, it's swimsuit models or actors. Sexy movie scenes - actors with uncommon figures, flawless skin, perfect makeup. So we kind of think that no matter what, our bodies don't look right, and because it's the only context we seem to discuss them in, they're only for attracting sexual desire.
I'm not saying we should all walk around naked. It gets cold and all. Plus, I love clothes and I think they do incredible things for us in many ways.
Flashers get off on shocking people. So if my daughter has seen a dick or two because there are males in her immediate family, or if she's seen breasts because she has a younger sibling who is breastfed, or if she just knows all about bodies because we've taught her anatomy and as much biology as her brain can manage to hold, and we've taught her that there are weird people out there who we don't need to give a lot of power to, then my hope is that she wouldn't feel victimized by being flashed by some pervy old man. I don't want her to equate seeing a naked body part with being victimized.
I know I tend to be really pollyanna-ish about this stuff sometimes, but it makes no sense to me that fake sex and violence are embedded in everything we see around us in pop culture, but real bodies are shocking.
So if we took the shock value away from the predators, I guess they'd just have to figure out a new kind of prey. And if it helps my family to process an incident like that in a way that doesn't feel so much like an assault, then all the better for us.

......... nowhere, NW, United States 25972 posts
18th Feb '13
Quoting Red Bottom:" <blockquote><b>Quoting ~Ice Princess~:</b>" Your link doesn't work. And that's ... [snip!] ... The link works and it goes to endless links about the direct relation of nipple stimulation to reproduction. Enjoy the read."


When I type in nipple stimulation and reproduction, it works. Not sex.
And it talks about what I just talked about. Oxytocin.
Nipples aren't the only source that causes oxytocin to be released.



http://www.psychologytoday.com/basics/oxytocin



http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/cupids-poisoned-arrow/201211/oxytocin-fidelity-and-sex