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I AM TRON 17 kids; Illinois 1482 posts
18th Feb '13
Quoting ~Ice Princess~:" <blockquote><b>Quoting I AM TRON:</b>" So HE refused to leave the theater, and then ... [snip!] ... to deal with him do it. They killed him and are still working! They'll likely get away with it, which makes them above the law."


You saw this happen?



So because he had DS, he deserved to break the law? Are you assuming that because he had DS, that it was apparent, and that he was dumb or didn't know any better, and that he was being really sweet about the whole thing? This isn't always the case, also something you would know from working/living with people who have DS.

That Elise Girl Due September 25; TTC since Nov 2013; 2 kids; 3 angel babies; Springville, AL, United States 2927 posts
18th Feb '13
Quoting ~Ice Princess~:" <blockquote><b>Quoting That Elise Girl
That Elise Girl Due September 25; TTC since Nov 2013; 2 kids; 3 angel babies; Springville, AL, United States 2927 posts
18th Feb '13
Quoting I AM TRON:" You saw this happen? So because he had DS, he deserved to break the law? Are you assuming that because ... [snip!] ... about the whole thing? This isn't always the case, also something you would know from working/living with people who have DS."


This!

......... nowhere, NW, United States 25972 posts
18th Feb '13
Quoting The Pretender:" <blockquote><b>Quoting ~Ice Princess~:</b>" This is getting ridiculous. I am so tired ... [snip!] ... of hand. The mentally handicapped people are often some of the scariest to be around when they get out of control- seriously"


First, they were off duty.
As a security guard, you don't put your hands on people. You call the authorities who are in a position to do that. And preferably those who are trained to deal with special needs persons.
And 3 of them? Come on. That's overkill. They should have called his parents and had them and his caretaker deal with him.
He asphyxiated. There's no excuse for that at all.

That Elise Girl Due September 25; TTC since Nov 2013; 2 kids; 3 angel babies; Springville, AL, United States 2927 posts
18th Feb '13

Was he there alone or with friends? Has that been stated yet?

......... nowhere, NW, United States 25972 posts
18th Feb '13
Quoting m o m ♥:" His comprehension level probably isn't the same as an average adult. I have worked with DS adults for ... [snip!] ... would come back on and probably felt really scared when a bunch of police had to tell him it wasn't and remove him by force"


Exactly.



They don't have reasoning skills or the mentality of a "normal" adult.

......... nowhere, NW, United States 25972 posts
18th Feb '13
Quoting Captain Lauren + ?:" Hmmm I see both sides. Do we allowed people with special needs to be above the rules because of their ... [snip!] ... special needs would we still feel so bad for him? Was EMS called? What does medically disstress mean? Did he fight back? "


He was asphyxiated. Smothered, choked, something along those lines if it's being called a homicide.

Hathor + A Due December 23 (girl); 16 kids; Spring, Texas 12834 posts
18th Feb '13
Quoting ~Ice Princess~:" <blockquote><b>Quoting S U Z I E:</b>" I saw that on Facebook he just wanted to see ... [snip!] ... :-\"</blockquote> I know. If they had any compassion and a clue, they would have just bought him another ticket."

Why?



I want $400 total noise canceling headphones because the outside music headphones makes me see colors. Anyone have compassion so I don't see orange spots whenever I hear the Harlem shake??

......... nowhere, NW, United States 25972 posts
18th Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting I AM TRON:</b>" You saw this happen? So because he had DS, he deserved to break the law? Are you assuming that because ... [snip!] ... about the whole thing? This isn't always the case, also something you would know from working/living with people who have DS."</blockquote>



It's a murder investigation. So obviously someone killed him even if it was from negligent behavior. He was in their custody. Not so hard to put two and two together.




ETA: homicide, not murder.

......... nowhere, NW, United States 25972 posts
18th Feb '13
Quoting That Elise Girl
......... nowhere, NW, United States 25972 posts
18th Feb '13
Quoting That Elise Girl
......... nowhere, NW, United States 25972 posts
18th Feb '13
Quoting Captain Lauren + ?:" Why? I want $400 total noise canceling headphones because the outside music headphones makes me see colors. Anyone have compassion so I don't see orange spots whenever I hear the Harlem shake?? "


LOL



I would have if I saw someone in that much distress over it.

I AM TRON 17 kids; Illinois 1482 posts
18th Feb '13
Quoting ~Ice Princess~:" First, they were off duty. As a security guard, you don't put your hands on people. You call the authorities ... [snip!] ... should have called his parents and had them and his caretaker deal with him. He asphyxiated. There's no excuse for that at all."


Really? Because other reports say that he came with his aide. Also, they state the cops were called, arrived, took him out of hand cuffs when he started to struggle, rushed him to the hospital and was pronounced DOA.

That Elise Girl Due September 25; TTC since Nov 2013; 2 kids; 3 angel babies; Springville, AL, United States 2927 posts
18th Feb '13
Quoting ~Ice Princess~:" It said something about a caretaker. But I'm not sure where he/she was. They should have let that person and people he knew deal with him. The police probably freaked him out even more."


I can understand that completely. The police should not have dealt with it like that but...police think they know everything. I just hope the parents sue. Or whomever see's help over him.

The Pretender 2 kids; Brazil 1232 posts
18th Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting ~Ice Princess~:</b>" First, they were off duty. As a security guard, you don't put your hands on people. You call the authorities ... [snip!] ... should have called his parents and had them and his caretaker deal with him. He asphyxiated. There's no excuse for that at all."</blockquote>




You must be absolutely oblivious as to what it is really like to be in a combative situation with a mentally handicapped individual who is in a high tension situation. If there were 3 off duty police present and this man with DS was acting out/threatening the safety of himself or others and they did absolutely nothing in the frame of time that police were en route (could be 5 could be 30 minutes?) you'd be posting a completely different story about how 3 police officers refused to render aid to the public because they weren't on the clock. You, honest to God, give me the impression of someone who has never actually been involved with a very combative MR/MI individual. And asphyxiation isn't neccesarily putting a plastic bag over someone's head or hands around their neck- he could have been pressed against the wall or floor while waiting for police to protect him from himself or others while police arrived. And 3 grown men against and angry/agitated individual with MR/MI is not silly- I've seen 1 70 year old with MR take out 5 young, healthy security officers with training in dealing with those individuals.