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......... nowhere, NW, United States 25972 posts
18th Feb '13

But like I said, it's not just this case. It's been happening a lot lately. And those are only the stories we hear about.
If normal people do what they do (like if we THINK we see them with a weapon and react? We'd be locked up right away.)
Here's a few:




http://www.indystar.com/article/99999999/NEWS02/120912030/IMPD-officer-David-Bisard



http://fox59.com/2013/02/07/impd-officer-found-guilty-of-robbery-official-misconduct/#axzz2LJWc00mM



WARNING GRAPHIC
http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhI1i2TT57Q5J66Edc



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/22/double-amputee-shooting_n_1906387.html



http://www.care2.com/causes/8-months-pregnant-woman-tasered-by-chicago-police-take-action.html



http://www.nbcdfw.com/video/#!/news/local/Two-Views-of-Traffic-Arrest-of-77-Year-Old/169567006



http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/hogtied_pregnant_driver_obtains_250k_settlement_from_knuckleheads_cops_see_

......... nowhere, NW, United States 25972 posts
18th Feb '13
Quoting That Elise Girl
......... nowhere, NW, United States 25972 posts
18th Feb '13
Quoting The Pretender:" <blockquote><b>Quoting ~Ice Princess~:</b>" First, they were off duty. As a security ... [snip!] ... I've seen 1 70 year old with MR take out 5 young, healthy security officers with training in dealing with those individuals."


Did I not just say that it could have been from him being pushed to the floor face down? I'm pretty sure I did.

The Pretender 2 kids; Brazil 1215 posts
18th Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting ~Ice Princess~:</b>" Did I not just say that it could have been from him being pushed to the floor face down? I'm pretty sure I did."</blockquote>




Where? And really when someone is worked up it doesn't take much for their respiratory system to become compromised. He wouldn't even have to be face down.

......... nowhere, NW, United States 25972 posts
18th Feb '13
Quoting The Pretender:" <blockquote><b>Quoting ~Ice Princess~:</b>" Did I not just say that it could have ... [snip!] ... is worked up it doesn't take much for their respiratory system to become compromised. He wouldn't even have to be face down."


In a post on up...
Okay? So did they call EMTs right when his breathing became impaired? If that happened? I haven't heard that. And again, they said that it was a murder investigation. They don't just do that for no reason...

I AM TRON 17 kids; Illinois 1482 posts
18th Feb '13
Quoting ~Ice Princess~:" Did I not just say that it could have been from him being pushed to the floor face down? I'm pretty sure I did."


Well, there is no "could have been". The medical examiner said he died of positional asphyxia. I encourage you to look up the definition of that. I also encourage you to look up some legal terms before you start telling everyone that because the case has been labeled a homicide, that has to mean someone killed him.



You honestly lost the last bit of credibility you had in my book when you cited World Star Hip Hop. I supposed that doesn't matter to you though.



Just because people are mentally handicapped, or pregnant, does not mean that they can not have ill-intentions, and that when they do we should just let them have free-roam.

......... nowhere, NW, United States 25972 posts
18th Feb '13
Quoting ~Ice Princess~:" Did I not just say that it could have been from him being pushed to the floor face down? I'm pretty sure I did."



I apologize. I thought my phone posted it. I switched to the computer and it's still on my phone screen. I must have hit done and not post reply.

The Pretender 2 kids; Brazil 1215 posts
18th Feb '13

Respiratory decompensation is not always immediately apparent and we DON'T KNOW the answers to a lot of important questions which is my point- I err on the side of trust with police in circumstances like this. Remember that this country is one of "innocent until proven guilty".

The Pretender 2 kids; Brazil 1215 posts
18th Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting I AM TRON:</b>" Well, there is no "could have been". The medical examiner said he died of positional asphyxia. I encourage ... [snip!] ... pregnant, does not mean that they can not have ill-intentions, and that when they do we should just let them have free-roam. "</blockquote>




Right on!

......... nowhere, NW, United States 25972 posts
18th Feb '13
Quoting I AM TRON:" Well, there is no "could have been". The medical examiner said he died of positional asphyxia. I encourage ... [snip!] ... pregnant, does not mean that they can not have ill-intentions, and that when they do we should just let them have free-roam. "


It's a video. I couldn't find it elsewhere but I suppose I could look through past threads on here if that will make you feel better. It's still a legit video or I wouldn't have posted it.



And yes, homicide is when a person kills another person...




Never said let them have free roam. But cops shouldn't either.

......... nowhere, NW, United States 25972 posts
18th Feb '13
Quoting I AM TRON:" Well, there is no "could have been". The medical examiner said he died of positional asphyxia. I encourage ... [snip!] ... pregnant, does not mean that they can not have ill-intentions, and that when they do we should just let them have free-roam. "


And yes, positional asphyxia. So they held him in a dangerous position. So that makes it better?

The Pretender 2 kids; Brazil 1215 posts
18th Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting ~Ice Princess~:</b>" It's a video. I couldn't find it elsewhere but I suppose I could look through past threads on here if ... [snip!] ... And yes, homicide is when a person kills another person... Never said let them have free roam. But cops shouldn't either. "</blockquote>



I think the definition of homocide is when a persons death is the result of another persons actions. There is NO implication of intent. Just like if you shot someone that was coming into your home and trying to rape you- on his death cert I BELIEVE it'd be listed as homocide for the cause of death.

......... nowhere, NW, United States 25972 posts
18th Feb '13
Quoting The Pretender:" Respiratory decomensation is not always immediately apparent and we DON'T KNOW the answers to a lot of ... [snip!] ... the side of trust with police in circumstances like this. Remember that this country is one of "innocent until proven guilty"."


Eh, I err on the side of the police are not always right. They're human too and screw up and let power get to their heads (again, not all, but many).

I AM TRON 17 kids; Illinois 1482 posts
18th Feb '13

The problem here, is that you are screaming bad cop, when you have no idea what actually happened. There are bad people in every profession. Maybe you should do a ride-along with a local officer sometime and see exactly what it is they deal with every day.

The Pretender 2 kids; Brazil 1215 posts
18th Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting ~Ice Princess~:</b>" And yes, positional asphyxia. So they held him in a dangerous position. So that makes it better?"</blockquote>




Yes. Absolutely. The way it SEEMS you initially interpreted it looked like you thought someone put a wal Mart sack around the guy's head or something. It definitely could have been an accident and the "dangerous position" could have been the safest option for everyone around him