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Minion Due September 30; 2 kids; Toccoa, GA, United States 19972 posts
status 26th Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Colton's Butterfly:</b>" Okay, going on that belief system... My husband was killed in a car crash last August. Was that the result of me doing something bad in my previous life?"</blockquote>




I'm not trying to butt in, but IMO, no.
I believe everything that happens to us in our life is an opportunity for the soul to learn. And I also believe that we need to experience pretty much everything there is to experience on earth before our souls can rest.

Lucid Dreamer Florida 3817 posts
26th Feb '13
Quoting Colton's Butterfly:" Okay, going on that belief system... My husband was killed in a car crash last August. Was that the result of me doing something bad in my previous life?"

First let me state there is no such thing as good or bad in the ultimate sense. For every action there is a reaction and also no lifetime is ever going to be without sorrowful times. The physical reality is 2 sided with both positives and negatives. I cannot answer about your husband but all I can say his time on earth was meant to end on that day and that death is a glorious transition for the one who is dying because physical death frees the soul from the prison of the phyical body and lives in pure joy.

Lucid Dreamer Florida 3817 posts
26th Feb '13
Quoting Colton's Butterfly:" Ok, so if I'm correct, you're saying that God shouldn't send basically good people to hell, right? Let's ... [snip!] ... enough to cancel out what I did to this child?" Should Joe be held accountable for killing that child, and punished for it?"

Let's pretend Joe did this thing and he dies. He will not be judged in a way we would expect. When a person dies they will go the presence of God and go through a life review. At this istant Joe relives everything he ever did both experiencing and observing at the same time but on top of he feels everything he caused others feel. Not only feeling the child's pain and suffering as he murders the child but the sorrow and grief he caused his loved ones to feel. He also views the consequences that can span many future generations. After the review is over he is allowed to reflect on everything and through it all God is not judging or condemning but rather guiding. He will then eventually reincarnate agreeing to atone but it does not mean he going to be murdered in that life. He may serve in other ways to balance out the karma.

Upper Echelon 2 kids; Kansas City, Missouri 5445 posts
26th Feb '13
Quoting Minion:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Colton's Butterfly:</b>" Ok, so if I'm correct, you're saying ... [snip!] ... she goes to Hell because she doesn't believe. It just doesn't seem fair to me. .....did that make any sense at all? Lol."


The bible is pretty clear that good works alone will not get you into heaven. You must accept Jesus as your savior...believe that he died for your sins and ask for forgiveness.



This is one of my (many) problems with religion. There are good Atheists and there are horrible Christians/Jews/Muslims. If there is a god, and if the bible is his word, I'm convinced that it's so far from what he intended it to be, that no one really has any hope of getting into heaven.



I know TONS of "eh" Christians...they go to church, they live okay lives (never going out of their way to do anything helpful for anyone else). And I know Christians who eat, sleep, and breath what the bible tells them. Are both types deserving of a life in heaven? Christians have a very relaxed set of rules compared to Jews and Muslims, are all methods of worship deserving of the same reward?

Kaleighshaleigh 3 kids; USA 5487 posts
26th Feb '13

It kind of sounds like that would make me Jewish.

Minion Due September 30; 2 kids; Toccoa, GA, United States 19972 posts
status 26th Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Upper Echelon:</b>" The bible is pretty clear that good works alone will not get you into heaven. You must accept Jesus ... [snip!] ... have a very relaxed set of rules compared to Jews and Muslims, are all methods of worship deserving of the same reward?"</blockquote>




Yeah, but what if there was a person who did nothing but good works, and never did anything remotely wrong. They put themselves last and lived to make the world a better place. Say this person somehow brought about a huge change on earth and made it a much much better place. But this person is not a Christian.
That means they will go to hell and suffer and burn for eternity.



That just doesn't sit well with me, IMO.

Minion Due September 30; 2 kids; Toccoa, GA, United States 19972 posts
status 26th Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Kaleighshaleigh:</b>" It kind of sounds like that would make me Jewish."</blockquote>




Lol it does. I wasn't even thinking about that when I made the scenario, lol.

Upper Echelon 2 kids; Kansas City, Missouri 5445 posts
26th Feb '13
Quoting Minion:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Upper Echelon:</b>" The bible is pretty clear that good works ... [snip!] ... not a Christian. That means they will go to hell and suffer and burn for eternity. That just doesn't sit well with me, IMO."


That's what I said lol ; )



It doesn't sit well with me either, no religion does.



I'm a new atheist. I was raised christian, transitioned into agnosticism, and recently made the move to atheist. It makes no sense to me to accept ANY religion without asking LOTS of questions (this is the eternity of your mortal soul we're talking about). How are you supposed to know that you're worshiping the correct god (there are more than 2500 deities after all), if you accept only what you were raise with or what's available for your location. If you were raised in India you'd probably be Hindu, if you were raised in Italy you'd probably be Catholic, if you were raised in Utah you'd probably be Mormon...most people are so complacent in their beliefs that they don't bother considering the possibility of any other way of believing/living/worshiping. Why should they, it's pretty easy to accept the bible when the majority of the people around you accept it as the truth.

Minion Due September 30; 2 kids; Toccoa, GA, United States 19972 posts
status 26th Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Upper Echelon:</b>" That's what I said lol ; ) It doesn't sit well with me either, no religion does. I'm a new atheist. ... [snip!] ... Why should they, it's pretty easy to accept the bible when the majority of the people around you accept it as the truth."</blockquote>



Ohhhhhh ok lol. I thought you were saying that everyone needs to be saved.



I agree with you. I've always wondered about the bush people in Africa or wherever who have never seen a white man, let alone heard about Jesus and God. Wouldn't that be really really really unfair to have the bushman die and meet God who says "you never heard of me? Tough. To hell you go."

Kaleighshaleigh 3 kids; USA 5487 posts
26th Feb '13
Quoting Minion:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Upper Echelon:</b>" That's what I said lol ; ) It doesn't ... [snip!] ... be really really really unfair to have the bushman die and meet God who says "you never heard of me? Tough. To hell you go.""


Just because we don't know about God speaking to the people in the bush and other uncivilized parts of the world doesn't mean he hasn't or won't. :) Remember, God spoke to Moses through a burning bush, and even used a donkey speak to a guy named Balaam. :)

Minion Due September 30; 2 kids; Toccoa, GA, United States 19972 posts
status 26th Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Kaleighshaleigh:</b>" Just because we don't know about God speaking to the people in the bush and other uncivilized parts ... [snip!] ... hasn't or won't. :) Remember, God spoke to Moses through a burning bush, and even used a donkey speak to a guy named Balaam. :)"</blockquote>




But if the bushman heard God speak, wouldn't he think it was HIS god, like a sun god or something?

Kaleighshaleigh 3 kids; USA 5487 posts
26th Feb '13
Quoting Minion:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Kaleighshaleigh:</b>" Just because we don't know about God ... [snip!] ... :)"</blockquote> But if the bushman heard God speak, wouldn't he think it was HIS god, like a sun god or something?"


I have no idea, but I would guess that if God took the time to talk to someone out in the bush I'm sure he would make it clear to them who they were talking too, and in a way they would understand. :)



God is very personal. The way he communicates with me is likely different than the way He communicates with someone else. He knows ME and knows how to communicate with me in a way that I understand.

Minion Due September 30; 2 kids; Toccoa, GA, United States 19972 posts
status 26th Feb '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Kaleighshaleigh:</b>" I have no idea, but I would guess that if God took the time to talk to someone out in the bush I'm sure ... [snip!] ... than the way He communicates with someone else. He knows ME and knows how to communicate with me in a way that I understand. "</blockquote>




I understand what you're saying. :)

Upper Echelon 2 kids; Kansas City, Missouri 5445 posts
26th Feb '13
Quoting Minion:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Kaleighshaleigh:</b>" I have no idea, but I would guess that ... [snip!] ... ME and knows how to communicate with me in a way that I understand. "</blockquote> I understand what you're saying. :)"


I don't know where you stand religion wise, but if you want answers, there are lots of resources to answer biblical question online.



If you're more science/evolution minded, YouTube some Richard Dawkins videos. Don't put all your eggs in one basket, ask questions back and forth on all sides until you're satisfied.



I'm an atheist today, but who knows, I could be a christian again tomorrow (not likely, but I'm always interested in learning/growing).

Kaleighshaleigh 3 kids; USA 5487 posts
26th Feb '13

I'm a Christian and former youth leader. I certainly don't claim to know it all, but if you ever have questions about Christianity I'll do my best to answer them. :)