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KissMeFinnNelson<3 1 child; 2 angel babies; Glasgow, Scotland, UK, United Kingdom 5405 posts
status 9th Mar '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting -()-()-()-:</b>" I don't see how you think you are saying anything different than what I am... I completely agree & ... [snip!] ... agree & have said time and time again that it's never the victims fault... that doesn't mean precautions can't be taken."</blockquote>




Yes precautions can be taken and ideally would be taken by everyone... and a rapist would still find a person to rape.

Drunk Blair Waldorf 2 kids; Alpharetta, Georgia 19208 posts
9th Mar '13
Quoting xTJ:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Blair Waldorf (SuperKink):</b>" Only because there is always ... [snip!] ... under the lure of the slutty drunk girl who is flirtatious and wearing too short of a skirt, wrong. He's a rapist, end of."


No, I don't speak as though he's overwhelmed and can't control himself. I speak as though he doesn't even realize it's rape because he THINKS it's consensual. With all of the flirting and drinking and going off alone together, what man WOULDN'T think the girl was into him? If you get incredibly drunk, rub yourself all up on a man, flash him your breasts, and drag him off into a corner to make out, YOU aren't responsible for your actions even if you're BOTH drunk? WHY does he have to be fully responsible for his actions no matter his state of inebriation but you're not responsible for sending out the wrong signals with your actions?



And honestly you're grouping EVERY rapist into ONE single group and not recognizing that there ARE men who rape out of opportunity, not realizing that it's even rape because WE as women led him on. He's not a serial rapist. He's a horny man who THOUGHT he had encountered a horny woman who wanted him just as much.



And I said let's not bother taking precautions at all because you said "No matter what precautions we take, a rapist is a rapist and he'll just rape someone else." I never once said if we all take precautions, there will NEVER be rape. What I said is that it will drastically REDUCE the instances of rape that occur. It's not a man's job to read a woman's mind and if she's giving off the signals that she's into him, she SHOULD be responsible for her actions just as he should.



Rape should not happen. SHOULD NOT. But there are a LOT of cases of miscommunication that later on are perceived as rape because she didn't actually WANT to fuck the guy, but she was too drunk to say no. Had she never gotten that drunk, she could've avoiding sending him those signals and then been able to say no and be aware enough not to go off into a dark corner or private room with him. There IS responsibility on both sides.

user banned Due November 26; 1 child; Parkersburg, West Virginia 9548 posts
9th Mar '13
Quoting Blair Waldorf (SuperKink):" No, I don't speak as though he's overwhelmed and can't control himself. I speak as though he doesn't ... [snip!] ... to say no and be aware enough not to go off into a dark corner or private room with him. There IS responsibility on both sides."



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KissMeFinnNelson<3 1 child; 2 angel babies; Glasgow, Scotland, UK, United Kingdom 5405 posts
status 10th Mar '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Blair Waldorf (SuperKink):</b>" No, I don't speak as though he's overwhelmed and can't control himself. I speak as though he doesn't ... [snip!] ... to say no and be aware enough not to go off into a dark corner or private room with him. There IS responsibility on both sides."</blockquote>




Wow how absolutely astounding that you still place absolutely every single thing on the woman. You say you speak as though the man doesn't even realise it's rape? You still can't see then that what we should be questioning here and that is the ATTACKER. If a man doesn't even realise it's rape that shows how sick he is in the head that he doesn't even consider raping a woman to be the crime that is and shows even more how the focus needs to be on him. I mean what a poor little innocent soul he is, this rampant slut who dragged him off to a corner has confused his pure mind into a horny helpless animal to the point he is so worked up he doesn't even realise when he rapes her....... :roll: I group all rapists into one? No there are certainly different types of rape however if you rape someone no matter the circumstances you are a rapist. No it isn't a man's job to read a womans mind but it is his job to choose wether or not he wants to rape and if he chooses to he is a rapist.

Drunk Blair Waldorf 2 kids; Alpharetta, Georgia 19208 posts
10th Mar '13
Quoting xTJ:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Blair Waldorf (SuperKink):</b>" No, I don't speak as though ... [snip!] ... man's job to read a womans mind but it is his job to choose wether or not he wants to rape and if he chooses to he is a rapist."


What's astounding is your lack of reading comprehension skills. You twist everyone's words around to make US look like the bad guys so that you feel better about the ignorance you spew. It's not even worth debating anymore because you just keep repeating yourself over and over again and the things you say imply that women shouldn't be responsible for their actions and that men are ALWAYS vicious rapists who just want to rape, rape, rape. That they're never just a guy at a party with a hot girl they thought was into them and thought they could have a mutual good time and it turned into rape because she wasn't as willing as she appeared to be on the night of.



So that's fine. You keep the mindset you have and keep justifying that it's perfectly okay to dress and act any way that you choose because a man SHOULDN'T rape you even if you make him THINK you want it. If you want to put yourself in harm's way and not behave responsibly, more power to you. I personally don't feel like taking those chances.



Good luck.

KissMeFinnNelson<3 1 child; 2 angel babies; Glasgow, Scotland, UK, United Kingdom 5405 posts
status 10th Mar '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Blair Waldorf (SuperKink):</b>" What's astounding is your lack of reading comprehension skills. You twist everyone's words around to ... [snip!] ... in harm's way and not behave responsibly, more power to you. I personally don't feel like taking those chances. Good luck."</blockquote>




You lack comprehension skills yourself. I have repeatedly stated it is wise to take precaution and ideally everyone would so where you have this idea I think women should throw caution to the wind I don't know, obviously that's suits you to try and twist my words. You're now at a point of directing it right at me, making some incredibly strange assumptions that I behave in a particularly provactive way? Well excuse me I don't have a flirtatious manner, I dress quite modestly, I'm very responsible with alcohol and I always pay full attention to my surroundings and the people in it.... You seek to lack understanding that I do all these things and still call a rapist a rapist because that's what he is.




"That they're never just a guy at a party with a hot girl they thought was into them and thought they could have a mutual good time and it turned into rape because she wasn't as willing as she appeared to be on the night of."



"You keep the mindset you have and keep justifying that it's perfectly okay to dress and act any way that you choose because a man SHOULDN'T rape you even if you make him THINK you want it."



These 2 statements in particular I find incredibly disturbing. In the first you say it turned into rape because the woman was not as willing as she appeared to be. The woman either wants sex or she doesn't and if she doesn't it is rape, if she is "not as willing" then that's it she is not willing to have sex, it is not someones right to take it that is rape. In the second statement you imply that it is an odd idea to expect a man not to rape you even if you make him think you want it, tell me how exactly do you make a man believe you want to be raped? If a man is seriously thinking a any woman is sending out signals that she wants him to rape her, that she wants to be forced against her will into taking part in sexual acts then I would say that's a very clear indicator that there is some very deep psychological issues within him.



You have a very dangerous idea that a rapist only fits the description of someone who drags a woman who is walking down the street into a dark alley kicking and screaming and brutally rapes her and that a man at a party who chooses to take advantage of a girl in an intoxicated state is just a poor helpless man led astray by some dirty slut, wrong he is a rapist. It's attitudes like this that allow and promote the idea that in certain circumstances rape can be excused because all the attention is placed on the victim and it is her behaviour brought into question whereas the rapist can sit back calmly knowing that plenty of "reasons" will be put forward to try and show how he was the one lured into a trap and somehow is in fact the victim. Never more has there been a crime more comfortable for a man to commit because he knows people will rip the victim to shreds will blindly supporting him, fucking disgusting.



I don't need luck thank you, I don't have a daughter but I have a son and I am extremely proud of the fact I will instill in him values that there is never an excuse for rape and the blame lays solely with the rapist. I say good luck to the sons who's main female influence in their life, their Mother passes on the view to them that in some cases the rapist can be excused because it was his slutty victim that made him do it, and good luck to the women they encounter in their life.

Anja[VBA2C GRADx2!] 5 kids; Illinois 3576 posts
11th Mar '13

Wow this thread is full of sexism and victim blaming (yay rape culture basically) . Also people misunderstanding what a slutwalk is. It's women proving that they're not "sluts" simply for being raped. This thread is only proving that people think women who are raped are sluts for certain behaviors or not "preventing their own rape" instead of the rapist not raping them . How is it hard to teach people not to rape? It shouldn't be. People (regardless of sex or gender) should be told at a young age that rape is not an acceptable behavior, no matter what the victim of rape does , they do not deserve it and you have no right to rape them. No one should be raped, no one should think about raping someone.

KissMeFinnNelson<3 1 child; 2 angel babies; Glasgow, Scotland, UK, United Kingdom 5405 posts
status 11th Mar '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Anja[VBA2C GRAD]:</b>" Wow this thread is full of sexism and victim blaming (yay rape culture basically) . Also people misunderstanding ... [snip!] ... , they do not deserve it and you have no right to rape them. No one should be raped, no one should think about raping someone."</blockquote>



I think that is just too difficult for them to understand and they truly believe some rapists are these little lost souls who just cannot control themselves and are the real victims whereas the victims are in fact the predator genuinely sending out signals that they want to be raped and forced to engage in sexual acts against their will...... :roll:

user banned 1 child; Nunya, CA, United States 6369 posts
11th Mar '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Anja[VBA2C GRAD]:</b>" Wow this thread is full of sexism and victim blaming (yay rape culture basically) . Also people misunderstanding ... [snip!] ... , they do not deserve it and you have no right to rape them. No one should be raped, no one should think about raping someone."</blockquote>



Not one person in this entire thread "blamed" anyone for being raped.



Not one.



If taking precautions to try to insure your own safety is rape blaming, then if I stand in the garage, I'm a car.



Like I said, it's a victim mentality to not empower yourself in matters of personal safety.