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Sarah ♥ K&K 2 kids; 2 angel babies; Oceanside, CA, United States 112488 posts
10th Mar '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting ღFrodoliciousღ:</b>" Ok, and? That's not the man's problem. That's the mother's for having a child she couldn't afford, and ... [snip!] ... government's for agreeing to shoulder the responsibility. Not the man who stated that he didn't want a kid in the first place. "</blockquote>




Agreed

M walls 4 kids; Keenesburg, Colorado 7267 posts
12th Mar '13

i think if he didnt want the baby from the beginning of pregnancy then he should be able to terminate his rights but if he decides down the road when lo's are 3 & newborn(my situation) that he doesnt want anything to do with them then he should have to pay child support regardless of whether or not he wants to see them

Tarynosaurus Rex San Antonio, Texas 1271 posts
12th Mar '13

I think that if a man doesn't want to pay child support then he should be required by law to give up all rights to the child and should not be allowed in the child's life at all. It really pisses me off to see part time dads who are only there when it's convenient for them. If you're going to be in your kid's life BE THERE 100% of the time...if you're going to keep popping in and out when it suits you then you shouldn't get any rights at all.

Serial Mom ✄ 18 kids; Michigan 2690 posts
16th Mar '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting FroggysMommy:</b>" Why should he be responsible? Seriously, if a woman wants to give up a child she gets to. A man can ... [snip!] ... tell you what is best, the best thing is to not force a dude to be there when he doesnt want anything to do with the child. "</blockquote>



Actually, if a woman wanted to adopt out, but the man wants to keep the baby, the woman is responsible for child support.

......... nowhere, NW, United States 25972 posts
17th Mar '13

I think he should have 30 days from birth to terminate his rights. She has that much time legally so he should too (safe haven laws).

Serial Mom ✄ 18 kids; Michigan 2690 posts
17th Mar '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting ღFrodoliciousღ:</b>" Maybe so, but if the woman wanted to just be rid of the whole thing, and abort, he has NO say in it. ... [snip!] ... He also has no say if she chooses adoption, and no say if she keeps it. All the power is in HER hands, and it's ridiculous. "</blockquote>




Well, if the woman wants adoption but the man wants to keep the baby, he can. That's when she would be responsible for paying child support.



But yes, she can get an abortion and he has no say, but it's her body. That's just how it is. Do you think she should be forced to carry a baby she doesn't want? We are the ones that carry and deliver the babies, that's just how it is biologically. No one can change that.

Serial Mom ✄ 18 kids; Michigan 2690 posts
17th Mar '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting ღFrodoliciousღ:</b>" No, nothing will change that, but men should still have the right to legally 'abort' their rights to ... [snip!] ... very true. We hold the power. Is it really too much trouble to give the men a little bit more power when it comes to this?"</blockquote>




I don't know. On one level, what you're saying makes sense to me, but on another I just can't back it. Too many men would just sign away their rights. If you're having sex, there's a chance that a baby could be conceived. That's the chance you take. And yes, women do have the chance to abort, but that's because it's her body. Also, aborting isn't an easy thing. It's emotionally very hard.

Donna Jo Tanner 1 child; Beach Haven, New Jersey 6440 posts
17th Mar '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Serial Mom ✄:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting ღFrodoliciousღ:</b>" No, nothing will change that, ... [snip!] ... do have the chance to abort, but that's because it's her body. Also, aborting isn't an easy thing. It's emotionally very hard."</blockquote>




And signing over rights wouldn't be? What you're saying makes no sense. If we can believe in equality for all then it should be equality for all. It can't be women can do this but men can't, gays can't get married, that's not what this generation is striving for. It's a total double standard and its bs.

CJKB+JMB=AMB 1 child; Watertown, New York 2525 posts
17th Mar '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Serial Mom ✄:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting ღFrodoliciousღ:</b>" No, nothing will change that, ... [snip!] ... do have the chance to abort, but that's because it's her body. Also, aborting isn't an easy thing. It's emotionally very hard."</blockquote>




I hadnt thought about that but your right ALOT of guys.would take advantage of that opportunity

FroggysMommy 1 child; Golden, Colorado 26138 posts
18th Mar '13
Quoting ღFrodoliciousღ:" Signing over rights can be just as difficult. If women have the option to abort, the man should get ... [snip!] ... be equal for all. Equal for all races, sexual preferences, and genders/sexes. What's good for the geese is good for the gander."


Exactly. If girls dont like the chance of the guy maybe signing over his rights, then oops, don't have sex! It needs to be equal. Not just "oops, dont have sex with her!" as the only option now.