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Lucid Dreamer Florida 3829 posts
18th Apr '13
Quoting kacti:" That's an intriguing theory. However Jesus Christ, the son of God was a totally separate human, who ... [snip!] ... of the earth had heard of his son and been given the chance to accept Him, and accept his death as payment for their sins."

I believe his followers made the claim that Jesus was perfect but even in the traditional gospels Jesus never claimed he was perfect and even rebuked the rich man for calling him good and stated that only the father in heaven was good. Other than the bible which I believe has much deeper meanings than literal there are no scientific historical facts about Jesus. Near death experiences are reasonable evidence as to what actually happens after death and it does not involve any interest or concern in theological beliefs. People of all walks of life have journeyed to heaven. It is not a place set aside only for Christians but is our true home and is where we came from.

CJKB+JMB=AMB 1 child; Watertown, New York 2525 posts
18th Apr '13
Quoting kacti:" That's an intriguing theory. However Jesus Christ, the son of God was a totally separate human, who ... [snip!] ... of the earth had heard of his son and been given the chance to accept Him, and accept his death as payment for their sins."


this is what I believe and have heard.... but with thousands of people being born everday how is EVERY person supposed to hear? what about toddlers, and teenagers? i never understood that part

Minion 3 kids; ., GA, United States 21802 posts
18th Apr '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting kacti:</b>" That's an intriguing theory. However Jesus Christ, the son of God was a totally separate human, who ... [snip!] ... of the earth had heard of his son and been given the chance to accept Him, and accept his death as payment for their sins."</blockquote>




While I believe that Jesus really existed at one time, I don't believe he was anything more than human. He was a great teacher, a great man, and a good role model, but that's it.
The testimonies from the "witnesses" are so old that who knows how many times they have been edited. And if I'm right I believe the gospels were written many years after the people who knew Jesus died. It wasn't eye witness accounts.



Man wrote the Bible and men are corrupt. They use the Bible to push their agendas. More than likely our Bible now is nothing like it was back when it was written.

K and N TTC since Nov 2012; 2 kids; Denver City, Texas 1890 posts
18th Apr '13
Quoting Carissa Biron:" this is what I believe and have heard.... but with thousands of people being born everday how is EVERY person supposed to hear? what about toddlers, and teenagers? i never understood that part"


I don't think that it applies until you've reached the "age of accountability", which is when you're old enough to understand the concepts of good, evil, sacrifice, and acceptance. Every person will have heard before he comes back... there are missionaries in practically every 3rd world country, there are broadcasts on television and radio, and there's the internet...I believe that everyone will have had the chance to believe in and accept Christ, and if they choose not to, they will go to Hell... that is what I believe

Minion 3 kids; ., GA, United States 21802 posts
18th Apr '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting kacti:</b>" I don't think that it applies until you've reached the "age of accountability", which is when you're ... [snip!] ... have had the chance to believe in and accept Christ, and if they choose not to, they will go to Hell... that is what I believe"</blockquote>



What if a Bush person in Africa dies before hearing about Jesus?

Lucid Dreamer Florida 3829 posts
18th Apr '13
Quoting kacti:" I don't think that it applies until you've reached the "age of accountability", which is when you're ... [snip!] ... have had the chance to believe in and accept Christ, and if they choose not to, they will go to Hell... that is what I believe"

There is no judgement other than self judgement and Hell is nothing more than a self created spiritual existence. I believe God created only perfection and would never create a place for the purpose of eternal torture. What purpose would that serve? Especially if God loves everyone without conditions?

K and N TTC since Nov 2012; 2 kids; Denver City, Texas 1890 posts
18th Apr '13
Quoting Minion:" <blockquote><b>Quoting kacti:</b>" I don't think that it applies until you've reached ... [snip!] ... go to Hell... that is what I believe"</blockquote> What if a Bush person in Africa dies before hearing about Jesus?"


I honestly don't know... maybe that's where reincarnation comes in to play?? maybe he gets sent back to hear about Jesus, so that he can be given that chance.

Lucid Dreamer Florida 3829 posts
18th Apr '13

This link is a compilation what I believe is the type of judgement all souls face after death but in no way resembles the way it is taught about in the Christian churches. God is pure love and judges no one. This link tells what I think the ultimate truth is about judgement and it does not involve being rewarded or punished http://near-death.com/experiences/research24.html

K and N TTC since Nov 2012; 2 kids; Denver City, Texas 1890 posts
18th Apr '13
Quoting Lucid Dreamer:" There is no judgement other than self judgement and Hell is nothing more than a self created spiritual ... [snip!] ... a place for the purpose of eternal torture. What purpose would that serve? Especially if God loves everyone without conditions?"


God loves His children unconditionally. His desire is for everyone to accept His son so that they can too experience His love. But I think in order to be called a child of God, you must first accept His son. I believe that earth will become Hell, after the rapture of God's people... and rather than "going to Hell"... non-believers will stay here, rather than going to Heaven.

K and N TTC since Nov 2012; 2 kids; Denver City, Texas 1890 posts
18th Apr '13

1 John 4:1-6 ESV / 92 helpful votes




Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already. Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. They are from the world; therefore they speak from the world, and the world listens to them. ...

Lucid Dreamer Florida 3829 posts
18th Apr '13
Quoting kacti:" 1 John 4:1-6 ESV / 92 helpful votes Beloved, do not believe ... [snip!] ... than he who is in the world. They are from the world; therefore they speak from the world, and the world listens to them. ..."

I believe when he said he who is in you is greater than he of this world he was talking about the soul self which is not of this world. The human self is not the true self but are baggages we carry here in order to have human experiences.

Lucid Dreamer Florida 3829 posts
18th Apr '13
Quoting kacti:" God loves His children unconditionally. His desire is for everyone to accept His son so that they can ... [snip!] ... the rapture of God's people... and rather than "going to Hell"... non-believers will stay here, rather than going to Heaven."

God's love is for everyone and God loves all for who they are. We did not start our existence here on earth. When we really know the inner light within then we have come to know the son which is and was not a man either past or present

K and N TTC since Nov 2012; 2 kids; Denver City, Texas 1890 posts
18th Apr '13
Quoting Lucid Dreamer:" I believe his followers made the claim that Jesus was perfect but even in the traditional gospels Jesus ... [snip!] ... life have journeyed to heaven. It is not a place set aside only for Christians but is our true home and is where we came from."

I've been looking for links that demonstrate the historical evidence of His existence, apart from the Bible. Here are a few sites that I found for your review :



http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/what-historical-evidence-is-there-to-support-the-existence-of-jesus-christ/



http://www.gotquestions.org/did-Jesus-exist.html



http://dmc.members.sonic.net/sentinel/naij3.html

Lucid Dreamer Florida 3829 posts
18th Apr '13
Quoting kacti:" I've been looking for links that demonstrate the historical evidence of His existence, apart from the ... [snip!] ... http://www.gotquestions.org/did-Jesus-exist.html http://dmc.members.sonic.net/sentinel/naij3.html"

I believe he existed but I also believe there was much more to the story than in any bible in which the texts were based on word of mouth. Regardless I refer to Jesus as brother rather than lord. He himself even stated the things he did we could do greater. The power God is not owned by anyone in the flesh but can flow through anyone. Jesus was not the only in which the power of God flowed through.

K and N TTC since Nov 2012; 2 kids; Denver City, Texas 1890 posts
18th Apr '13
Quoting Lucid Dreamer:" I believe he existed but I also believe there was much more to the story than in any bible in which the ... [snip!] ... not owned by anyone in the flesh but can flow through anyone. Jesus was not the only in which the power of God flowed through."


I totally agree with the latter portion of this comment! We are all capable of receiving the "gifts of the spirit".
From 1 Corinthians 12



7 Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8 To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,a]">[a] and to still another the interpretation of tongues.b]">[b] 11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.
I believe this is what your referring to when you say "Power of God"
Is that correct?