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user banned 2 kids; Silly, Belgium 6539 posts
16th Mar '13
Quoting Man. Bear. Pig.:" The theory behind drug testing is awesome but what happens to the kids? So the parents go to rehab and ... [snip!] ... and the kids end up in an already over saturated system where they fall through the cracks .... there's just no winning. :("


No, I think there should be family housing for families found to be on drugs. A temporary living situation where they can be monitored and visited and ultimately, helped. I knew of one in a city I used to live, it was basically an apartment building for families that were addicted to drugs or where CPS was involved for abuse. The families would have a caseworker visit them regularly, there was a soup kitchen on site and counseling on another floor of the building. It's also the building for AA was and they had a 'youth center' that was staffed for minors to go and play video games or billiards or whatever.

lolajessup 3 kids; 1 angel baby; Beaverton, Michigan 44070 posts
16th Mar '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting [JadeLee]:</b>" My mother works for social services and she has said yeah that would be nice and it would kick some people ... [snip!] ... Pell Grant and other grant with NO loans I still recieve $2500 and before I was in the nursing program I got over $3000 back."</blockquote>




When I was at CC I got money back with just pell grant. But for my BA at a university the costs aren't fully covered by pell grant so I had to get student loans. That's the problem. An AA is affordable but a BA is not.

Ellie. 34 kids; Arizona 25371 posts
16th Mar '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting SAFFY

user banned 2 kids; Georgia 24891 posts
16th Mar '13

One of the major issues that needs to be addressed is the amount of people who continue to have more children while on assistance. Assistance is supposed to be temporary to help people better themselves, but it has become a way of life for far too many people. The more kids they have, the more trouble they have getting ahead and it just keeps them on assistance, and for a large portion of that population their children grow up to be lifelong recipients as well.



I don't have the magic answer to fix the issue, I know that just cutting people off affects the children, and removing kids from the home isn't a good fiscal option either. But people are being rewarded for having kids they can not afford.

AwkwardTurtle 34 kids; Syracuse, NY, United States 2085 posts
16th Mar '13

I think they should slightly lower the amount assistance gives to cover the drug testing. And I do think that if you are a drug user you should be given a few months to still receive assistance then retested. If you are + again, assistance gone. You would then have to pay out of pocket to re-test and show you are clean in the future. IMO, if you choose to waste your money on drugs and live that life style the government should not be supporting you. Most hard working individuals have to pass a drug test to be employed and work for a living. Drug users should not be rewarded with free food, cash and a place to stay for choosing drugs and being unwilling to work.



I think public assistance has gone from a safety net, to something people see as a life style choice. People seem to forget that it is ASSISTANCE, and is there to help you when you are in need not fully support you. I watched a youtube vid on a town in GA that EBT was late due to a computer issue and people were flipping out saying they needed food ect ect..Meanwhile they had colored and styled hair, fake nails, nice handbags, and jewelry on. On assistance or EBT you cant expect the government to pay for every thing you eat, but help you eat healthy.

user banned 2 kids; Silly, Belgium 6539 posts
16th Mar '13
Quoting lolajessup:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Pusherman:</b>" Yes I see that as an ongoing problem. I've ... [snip!] ... Low income Kids don't have access to a quality program outside the home for free until they are old enough for head start."


I'm obviously a huge dreamer and I always imagine an ideal world. But I really do think that is something within our reach, and something that's so important. You look at kids these days (and many adults) and they can barely spell to save their lives. I understand that a college degree does NOT guarantee a great career by any means, but the point is that we are opening more young, innovative, creative minds that will lead this country one day, and the best case scenarios is that by opening the minds of the children, they will eventually create more jobs through innovation.



I also think small business should be something that's endorsed much more than it is now, and people should be given incentive to open businesses to create jobs and boost the economy.



Also I think we should go back to an agricultural background. America is one of the most unique countries in the world in that we can practically grow ANYTHING here. I think there should be more capitalization on that fact.

user banned Lesbos, Greece 95211 posts
16th Mar '13
Quoting Man. Bear. Pig.:" <blockquote><b>Quoting SAFFY
user banned 2 kids; Silly, Belgium 6539 posts
16th Mar '13
Quoting lolajessup:" <blockquote><b>Quoting [JadeLee]:</b>" My mother works for social services and she ... [snip!] ... aren't fully covered by pell grant so I had to get student loans. That's the problem. An AA is affordable but a BA is not."



Exactly! and many places don't even consider someone without a BA these days, so an AA is not as marketable as it once was.

Ellie. 34 kids; Arizona 25371 posts
16th Mar '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Pusherman:</b>" No, I think there should be family housing for families found to be on drugs. A temporary living situation ... [snip!] ... for AA was and they had a 'youth center' that was staffed for minors to go and play video games or billiards or whatever."</blockquote>




You don't think a bunch of addicts living in one place would be problematic?

user banned 2 kids; Silly, Belgium 6539 posts
16th Mar '13
Quoting Man. Bear. Pig.:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Pusherman:</b>" No, I think there should be family housing ... [snip!] ... or billiards or whatever."</blockquote> You don't think a bunch of addicts living in one place would be problematic?"


The one I knew was staffed. They had a doorman/security and there were cameras in all of the hallways. It was a family rehabilitation program with 0 tolerance so if someone fucked up there, they were on the street with no other options/nothing to turn to and their kids were put into foster care. I did see it help a lot of families.

lolajessup 3 kids; 1 angel baby; Beaverton, Michigan 44070 posts
16th Mar '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting SAFFY

user banned Lesbos, Greece 95211 posts
16th Mar '13
Quoting BryarWoods:" I think they should slightly lower the amount assistance gives to cover the drug testing. And I do think ... [snip!] ... and jewelry on. On assistance or EBT you cant expect the government to pay for every thing you eat, but help you eat healthy. "

See, this I don't understand. Being on foodstamps doesn't mean you can't have nice things; it just means you don't pay full price for them. :lol:



But I'm a bit "defensive" about it because I don't "look" like I need foodstamps. :roll: I buy high end clothing second hand, I own a few Coach bags from buying second hand, used what was left over of my student loan to buy an iPhone and pay $30 a month on a prepaid plan, and I do my own hair.



I mean really..the amount I've paid on the stuff I have wouldn't cover groceries for a month.

Ellie. 34 kids; Arizona 25371 posts
16th Mar '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting SAFFY

user banned Lesbos, Greece 95211 posts
16th Mar '13
Quoting lolajessup:" <blockquote><b>Quoting SAFFY
user banned Lesbos, Greece 95211 posts
16th Mar '13
Quoting Man. Bear. Pig.:" <blockquote><b>Quoting SAFFY