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user banned Lesbos, Greece 95211 posts
18th Mar '13
Quoting Susan Schultz:" get a job and buy your own soda"


Go f**k yourself. You're not suffering because I might end up using food stamps to buy a 12 pack of soda a month. Would you rather pay my 5k+ emergency room bill? :wink:



I do buy my own soda most of the time because my husband is gainfully employed. I am trying to get us out of poverty by going to school. Unless, of course, you'd rather I work and be on food stamps for the rest of my life? Because the 2 of us only have a high school diploma right now so the best we can hope for, even with me working, isn't enough to get us off of food stamps.



So while you remain bitter about it, remember that even if I'm not working and making money, I am still working my ass off to get us out of here so we can be the average middle class family. I'll pay back all of what I've used in due time and I'll be glad to put my tax money into a social welfare program.



Do you not realize there are people out there who are on an assistance program who, instead of feeling entitled to it, are eternally grateful it's there? We didn't get on FS until long after my youngest was born and I had my tubes tied.

Gone 12345.... 2 kids; Houston, Texas 16000 posts
18th Mar '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting SAFFY

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23103 posts
18th Mar '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Fatty McRunnerPants:</b>" No clue. I'm assuming that it's because since they're getting government subsidized medical coverage ... [snip!] ... vaccinating thing. There are exemptions, though (religious/philisophical reasons, etc). Sort of like the school vaccine thing."</blockquote>




I think it's a rare but good string to attach to benefits.
It would be even more effective if they required marriage to get benefits.

user banned Lesbos, Greece 95211 posts
18th Mar '13
Quoting Gone 12345....:" <blockquote><b>Quoting SAFFY
Gone 12345.... 2 kids; Houston, Texas 16000 posts
18th Mar '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting SAFFY

user banned Lesbos, Greece 95211 posts
18th Mar '13
Quoting Gone 12345....:" <blockquote><b>Quoting SAFFY
Fatty McRunnerPants 2 kids; 4 angel babies; Clearlake, California 59390 posts
18th Mar '13
Quoting TheNuge:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Fatty McRunnerPants:</b>" I'm sure there is. It's a matter ... [snip!] ... "3 times rent" too. Very often the entire income is multigenerational disability payments to people that can definitley work."


Yeah, I get the 3x's thing. I guess I just get frustrated because the cost of living is so artificially high here due to A. Section 8. and B. Pot. The underground economy has anyone who's not on section 8 or doing illegal shit fucked.




I see a lot of the SSI stuff too where I work. What I DO like about Cali is if you get SSI you also get a small state supplemental payment called SSP. If you get SSI/SSP guess what? No foodstamps for you! What I don't get is if you are disabled to the point that you can't work why you pop out kids left and right. Doesn't seem right to condone that behavior.

Fatty McRunnerPants 2 kids; 4 angel babies; Clearlake, California 59390 posts
18th Mar '13
Quoting TheNuge:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Fatty McRunnerPants:</b>" No clue. I'm assuming that it's ... [snip!] ... it's a rare but good string to attach to benefits. It would be even more effective if they required marriage to get benefits."


So true. I do like most of the strings they have attached, right down to having to produce birth certificates. The one I really enjoy is assigning child support rights to the state. I get a sick pleasure out of reducing the cash aid benefit for not assigning child support rights/ cooperating with child support.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23103 posts
19th Mar '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Fatty McRunnerPants:</b>" Yeah, I get the 3x's thing. I guess I just get frustrated because the cost of living is so artificially ... [snip!] ... are disabled to the point that you can't work why you pop out kids left and right. Doesn't seem right to condone that behavior."</blockquote>




It doesn't seem right at all. Logically speaking, you would think that people wouldn't continue to pop out kids. You'd also think we'd have something in place to protect people and their kids from themselves.... But we don't.
So, you have 12 yr olds selling drugs because it sucks to be poor with a single mom who is a loser in life and the only way the 13 yer old gets cash is through illegal means.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23103 posts
19th Mar '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Fatty McRunnerPants:</b>" So true. I do like most of the strings they have attached, right down to having to produce birth certificates. ... [snip!] ... a sick pleasure out of reducing the cash aid benefit for not assigning child support rights/ cooperating with child support."</blockquote>




Please explain. I don't know what your mean by not cooperating and the consequence.



I realize that marriage and cohabitation would come with its own problems of abuse for some, but it would lift lots of kids from poverty and deter lots of moms from making babies with "men" that don't deserve to be called "men."

Fatty McRunnerPants 2 kids; 4 angel babies; Clearlake, California 59390 posts
19th Mar '13
Quoting TheNuge:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Fatty McRunnerPants:</b>" So true. I do like most of the strings ... [snip!] ... lift lots of kids from poverty and deter lots of moms from making babies with "men" that don't deserve to be called "men.""



So what happens is that when we start determining eligibility during the interview for cash aid, the parent applying has to sign a paper saying they won't stop the state from going after the other parent for child support. Child support office then contacts them to get information on the other parent. They'll also set up paternity testing if necessary and then start the court proceedings to persue child support payments to pay back the state for the amount of cash aid given to the other parent. They'll also mandate that the other parent carry them on their health insurance if it's available to them through work.



If the parent who's applying doesn't cooperate in this process at any stage we institute what's called a sanction. This means they will be inelgibile for their portion of the cash grant. So say there's the mom and two kids, instead of getting a

7 blessings so far.... Due February 3; 6 kids; Glen Burnie, Maryland 8799 posts
19th Mar '13
Quoting Fatty McRunnerPants:" Full disclosure: I'm a caseworker with social services. I determine the eligibility and continuing eligibility ... [snip!] ... it's assanine to pay more for someone to go to school. Someone's got to flip the burgers, why can't it be welfare recepients?"


Here is 1 example of why most states have the 1 parent or single w/child under 1 exception......here in MD childcare for an infant runs an average of $150 a week (for 1 child) No one gets $600mo cash aid here if they only have 1 dependant, so the government would pay out more in daycare assistance than in actual welfare benifits......the daycare provider would also be recieving more $ from the government then the actual parent was bringing home if working fulltime min wage job) after taxes, and transportation cost
Here there is a welfare to work program requirement also 25hrs a week but no child care is provided.......and daycare assistance program has been on a ''freeze'' for benifits for 2yrs .....so once u find a crappy paying job through the program u cant afford to pay for childcare....the system seems to intentionally keep people reliant on it.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23103 posts
19th Mar '13
Quoting Fatty McRunnerPants:" So what happens is that when we start determining eligibility during the interview for cash aid, the ... [snip!] ... means they will be inelgibile for their portion of the cash grant. So say there's the mom and two kids, instead of getting a"


that makes sense. thanks for elaborating.

user banned California 36390 posts
19th Mar '13
Quoting TheNuge:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Fatty McRunnerPants:</b>" No clue. I'm assuming that it's ... [snip!] ... it's a rare but good string to attach to benefits. It would be even more effective if they required marriage to get benefits."


Wouldn't that screw a lot of abused women who legitimately NEED the support?

Fatty McRunnerPants 2 kids; 4 angel babies; Clearlake, California 59390 posts
19th Mar '13
Quoting 6 blessings so far....:" Here is 1 example of why most states have the 1 parent or single w/child under 1 exception......here ... [snip!] ... job through the program u cant afford to pay for childcare....the system seems to intentionally keep people reliant on it."


See, it's different here. The welfare to work program really helps get people into self supporting jobs. First, the child care is provided by a private company that also gets federal subsidies which makes it affordable for the state run cash aid program to work with. Then, the program FIRST helps put people in work experience programs which also helps subsidize the cash aid and is exempt from being counted in the budget. For example, one of my clients had a work experience at the local CC that paid $10/ hour. She got that on top of the full amount for cash aid. Then the CC ended up hiring her full time. It all works out when people actually work the program. Unfortunately most of the people that I see come through don't want to work. They want to sit on their ass and collect their check. Most of the time they will do anything they can to not participate.