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Ellie. 34 kids; Arizona 25371 posts
20th Mar '13
Quoting Interrobang!?:" All of the sources in that site link to academic, peer-reviewed studies. If you're the special kind ... [snip!] ... scare tactics" just because they don't say what you want them to. Not legitimately, anyway. Come back with a real argument."


If you're the kind of person that needs to resort to name calling in a conversation, there's no need for me to continue speaking with you. Way to be mature. I actually cant look at the links because I'm mobile right now, but a link called mother jones doesn't exactly incite much confidence in a legit source.

Interrobang!? 6 kids; Ontario 1176 posts
20th Mar '13
Quoting Man. Bear. Pig.:" If you're the kind of person that needs to resort to name calling in a conversation, there's no need ... [snip!] ... links because I'm mobile right now, but a link called mother jones doesn't exactly incite much confidence in a legit source. "


It doesn't matter if the article comes from a site called Happy Fluffy Rainbowland -- it's where the sources come from. All of the SOURCES used in the article there are academic and peer-reviewed.



Again, I'd be happy to look at your argument if you have one that can be substantiated in a way that's not, "I go to Walmart and don't get shot - YAY GUNS." Peer-reviewed and reasonably current studies? Bring 'em on. Even if the article linking to them is from Faux.

Ellie. 34 kids; Arizona 25371 posts
20th Mar '13
Quoting Interrobang!?:" It doesn't matter if the article comes from a site called Happy Fluffy Rainbowland -- it's where the ... [snip!] ... shot - YAY GUNS." Peer-reviewed and reasonably current studies? Bring 'em on. Even if the article linking to them is from Faux."


Well good for you. Point taken. I still dispute those links. I'm sure I can find links that say the exact opposite. But I'm on my phone right now, so I wont be able to right now. Or maybe I cant because I'm... what did you call it? A "special kind of moron" :roll: I wasn't stating the walmart thing as the end all, be all fact. I was giving a personal life example.



ETA... I know how to look up peer reviewed and legit sources... I've been in school forever, and that's all I know "how" to look up.

Interrobang!? 6 kids; Ontario 1176 posts
20th Mar '13
Quoting Man. Bear. Pig.:" Well good for you. Point taken. I still dispute those links. I'm sure I can find links that say the ... [snip!] ... I know how to look up peer reviewed and legit sources... I've been in school forever, and that's all I know "how" to look up. "

How do you dispute them if you're on mobile and can't view them?



On grounds that they just don't say what you want them to?



And yes, I consider anyone who will use personal experience/"anecdata" over a legitimate study, a special kind of moron. Especially if they've been in school for SO LONG like you claim to.



Tell me, what do you think your professors would say if you wrote a paper defending gun cultism, and cited a personal experience with managing not to get shot where everyone carries guns, while rejecting a peer-reviewed source as bogus because it's all part of the big liberal conspiracy?



If you can come up with equally legitimate sources for your position, like I said, I welcome them, whenever you manage to get off mobile. Until then, your position is without evidence and cannot stand as a legitimate position at all.

Ellie. 34 kids; Arizona 25371 posts
20th Mar '13
Quoting Interrobang!?:" How do you dispute them if you're on mobile and can't view them? On grounds that they just don't say ... [snip!] ... you manage to get off mobile. Until then, your position is without evidence and cannot stand as a legitimate position at all."


ANYTHING has two sides to it. LMAO. ANYTHING can be argued and has opposing viewpoints and will have supporting information. I also know I will dispute what you had posted based on the blurbs you wrote before each link. I also stated already that I wasn't expecting anyone to take it as the end all be all... you're taking that entirely too literally. This isn't an academic paper. It's a discussion on BG for f**k's sake. You're the one who started throwing links around. We were all just having a normal discussion. ha ha ha ah ah ha. Gettin all serious and shit.



You're just one of those people who need to feel vindicated and correct all of the time, and I'm not going to get into it with you. Meh. If you need to feel right all of the time, I'll let you have this one. I'll move on and have a discussion with someone who doesn't need to be the "big dog". lol You win. Congrats! You are the winnAr at BG!



Have a good night. Ta ta.

❥amber❥~ 2 kids; Goose Creek, South Carolina 869 posts
20th Mar '13

I am for guns i was raise in a small town where there was not much to do so we hunt a lot and most familys where i am from have at least one gun in there home so we dont have a lot of gun crime. My little family have serveral guns but we dont have them where we are living yet because we just moved to a military base so we have to learn gun rules first but as far as guns being around my kids they will learn how to use them at a young age and they will learn they are not toys and how to handle them we also beleive if you have small kids they should have gun locks or be put up i beleive if you dont protect you and your family no one else will when the time comes because the police may be to late and if you can save your self more power to you

Interrobang!? 6 kids; Ontario 1176 posts
21st Mar '13
Quoting Man. Bear. Pig.:" ANYTHING has two sides to it. LMAO. ANYTHING can be argued and has opposing viewpoints and will have ... [snip!] ... with someone who doesn't need to be the "big dog". lol You win. Congrats! You are the winnAr at BG! Have a good night. Ta ta."


LOL.



Hairflipping: the last refuge of someone with no argument. How pathetic.



Either you can't or won't come up with evidence for your claims. Anything that can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. If you wish to argue something, have evidence for it, not just frantic claims of "liberal scare tactics" when presented with evidence against your quaint little anecdotes. As for citing your source, well, you're the one who claimed to have all this education. One would think if you had so much education and knew how to find sources for your position you claim are everywhere, you'd just do it.



Try again next time.

Ellie. 34 kids; Arizona 25371 posts
21st Mar '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Interrobang!?:</b>" LOL. Hairflipping: the last refuge of someone with no argument. How pathetic. Either you can't or ... [snip!] ... much education and knew how to find sources for your position you claim are everywhere, you'd just do it. Try again next time."</blockquote>




I'm sorry. I could have sworn I mentioned several times I was on my phone. I can't even copy and paste shit. Kind of hard to research anything this way. But if you want to just assume I'm stupid but argument's sake..... that's fine with me. :)



Just because I said I've been in school a while and am good at finding sources does not mean I'm the world's most brilliant student so stop being passive aggressive and throwing that in my face. Haha

Lara +2 2 kids; Wasilla, Alaska 7720 posts
21st Mar '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting NICKEL☮POLIS:</b>" Great White North. This is my stance... I believe that they have a purpose.. nothing wrong with owning ... [snip!] ... gun violence.. and your gun laws are to blame. Anyone who says otherwise or thinks that guns aren't the problem are delusional."</blockquote>




!!



I'm in Alaska and am 'PRO harder background checks'

Interrobang!? 6 kids; Ontario 1176 posts
21st Mar '13
Quoting Man. Bear. Pig.:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Interrobang!?:</b>" LOL. Hairflipping: the last refuge of ... [snip!] ... does not mean I'm the world's most brilliant student so stop being passive aggressive and throwing that in my face. Haha"


You're all over the place.



First you can't because you're on your phone. Fine. I said if you want to come back and debate when you can, by all means, do so, but that I don't think dismissing my sources because you think they're "liberal scare tactics" when you aren't even able to read them, let alone provide a counter-argument of your own, is a valid position.
Then you're this great student and could easily find valid sources to back up your gun cultism. Fine again, when you manage to get on a real computer, by all means, I'll listen to your argument.
Then your story changes again and you don't have to prove anything, and this is BG and you shouldn't have to because anecdata is just as valid as peer-reviewed studies here.
Now you're back to the phone thing.



Which is it? Make up an excuse and commit to it.

JΔS Georgia 74369 posts
21st Mar '13
Quoting Interrobang!?:" How's that working out for you, American? How many days has it been since your last mass shooting or attempted mass shooting?"


You two are some of the most dense individuals. This is the 3rd time that I am stating that guns will forever be available to anyone, regardless of the law. I can go on the corner (not at a store) and go get one if I wanted. There are millions, if not billions of illegal guns on the street. Laws. Will. Not. Change. That.



As for the mass shootings, they happen in other countries with strict gun laws as well. They aren't anything new. If you tighten the gun laws, mass killings can still occur. If someone wanted to do a mass killing, they could. It doesn't take much effort or knowledge to build a bomb. Timothy McVeigh proves that.



You don't live here and all of your "facts" are based on what you hear on the news. Not what you know and see. Reducing gun violence starts with the mass amount of gangs we have. Not with gun control.

JΔS Georgia 74369 posts
21st Mar '13
Quoting ⚓ Sarah ⚓:" http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/30/us/strict-chicago-gun-laws-cant-stem-fatal-shots.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1& ... [snip!] ... legal fight, Illinois remains the only state in the nation with no provision to let private citizens carry guns in public."


Furthering my point. We have a mass amount of gangs and stupid ass hood rats who will rather pick up a gun and kill someone rather than work a dispute out like men. Gangs are the problem. Inner city youth is the problem. Lack of mental healthcare is the problem. Not the f**king gun laws.

JΔS Georgia 74369 posts
21st Mar '13
Quoting ⚓ Sarah ⚓:" Look at Chicago. Strictest gun laws in our country but the most gun related crimes. Yep, totally working."


How many murders for Chi Town last year? Over 500. How many this year alone and its only March? Over 35. Yet gun laws are the issue. Right.

Ellie. 34 kids; Arizona 25371 posts
21st Mar '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting LEGENDARY JAS ♥:</b>" You two are some of the most dense individuals. This is the 3rd time that I am stating that guns will ... [snip!] ... the news. Not what you know and see. Reducing gun violence starts with the mass amount of gangs we have. Not with gun control."</blockquote>




I hope you have sources and articles to back that up....;)

user banned 3 kids; Ontario 10942 posts
21st Mar '13

I live in Ontario and I am against guns being easily obtained and to have to carry on you at all times.

I am not against having one in the home for protection or the use of guns for hunting etc....But I do not believe in the Right To Bare Arms.
And yes where I live is a factor in how I feel, we have strict gun laws here and where I live in my City they are not easy to get at all. We dont have shootings or armed robberies etc.....
Everyone needs a mental health check and a gun safety course of 5-6 weeks just to obtain a gun and or a hunting riffle.
I prefer it the way it is here. lol