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user banned 2 kids; Vientiane, Lao People's Democratic Republic 17415 posts
23rd Mar '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting P3RvYmCp3rv:</b>" Then ignore fat and happy? "</blockquote>




Ok

user banned Lesbos, Greece 95211 posts
23rd Mar '13
Quoting Dr. Paradigm Shift:" I guess I don't really know. I pretty much feel like maybe labeling oneself as fat/nonfat is stupid anyway. We aren't lattes. How about just self acceptance period. "


I'm a f**king latte. What are you talking about?



Why can't we just accept ourselves whether we're fat or thin? If you're comfortable in your body, why do you need to put a label on yourself to join the masses?



I'm not fat or thin; I'm me. I like me. Do I feel gross a couple of days before and during AF? Yep. 90% of the time, I'm the most self-confident bordering on conceit person I know. :lol:

user banned 2 kids; Vientiane, Lao People's Democratic Republic 17415 posts
23rd Mar '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting SAFFY

user banned Lesbos, Greece 95211 posts
23rd Mar '13
Quoting THE KATIE PRICE:" <blockquote><b>Quoting SAFFY
rpgmomma8404 1 child; St Ann, Missouri 7591 posts
23rd Mar '13
Quoting THE KATIE PRICE:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Red Bottom:</b>" I think it's stupid and derogatory. Not everyone ... [snip!] ... lifestyle. "</blockquote> Agreed! There is someone on here who posts fat and happy stuff that really grinds my gears!"

Could you explain why it grinds your gears? I mean there are people out there who can be fat and healthy. As long as they eat right and lead an active lifestyle. I mean everything in moderation is okay. That's already been a proven point. But people who are fat aren't allowed to be happy about their lives or themselves?

rpgmomma8404 1 child; St Ann, Missouri 7591 posts
23rd Mar '13
Quoting THE KATIE PRICE:" <blockquote><b>Quoting SAFFY
Red Bottom 2 kids; Middelfart, Denmark 15213 posts
23rd Mar '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting rpgmomma8404:</b>" Could you explain why it grinds your gears? I mean there are people out there who can be fat and healthy. ... [snip!] ... okay. That's already been a proven point. But people who are fat aren't allowed to be happy about their lives or themselves? "</blockquote>




Generally people who are fat are not healthy though.

user banned 2 kids; Vientiane, Lao People's Democratic Republic 17415 posts
23rd Mar '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting rpgmomma8404:</b>" Could you explain why it grinds your gears? I mean there are people out there who can be fat and healthy. ... [snip!] ... okay. That's already been a proven point. But people who are fat aren't allowed to be happy about their lives or themselves? "</blockquote>




Yes I can. Because being fat and happy is great, in fact being happy period is great. Accepting yourself is great, regardless of your size.
But, for me, claiming that being morbidly obese person is healthy is wrong. There is nothing physically healthy with being overweight. There are mountains if scientific evidence staring this.
Comparing a very thin woman's body and a very overweight body and discussing it I found offensive.
I'm glad people can accept themselves. But it is not healthy.
I'm glad I have a healthy bmi and have the energy to physically do what I want.

user banned Due November 26; 1 child; Parkersburg, West Virginia 9548 posts
23rd Mar '13
Quoting THE KATIE PRICE:" <blockquote><b>Quoting rpgmomma8404:</b>" Could you explain why it grinds your gears? ... [snip!] ... can accept themselves. But it is not healthy. I'm glad I have a healthy bmi and have the energy to physically do what I want."


some bigger people are healthy though. what seems to be the worse thing for a person is yo yo dieting. it puts alot of stress on the body

Fatty McRunnerPants 2 kids; 4 angel babies; Clearlake, California 59187 posts
23rd Mar '13
Quoting THE KATIE PRICE:" <blockquote><b>Quoting rpgmomma8404:</b>" Could you explain why it grinds your gears? ... [snip!] ... can accept themselves. But it is not healthy. I'm glad I have a healthy bmi and have the energy to physically do what I want."


I always have a problem with this kind of attitude. Mostly because BMI is not a single indicator of health. It was never supposed to be used as the only indicator of health, more of a tool to help doctors. I think i have a problem with this mindset becuase I, myself, sort of break almost every "Fat person" stereotype. Physically, the only thing wrong with me is a severe hormonal imbalance and problems with something called adhesions. I heal TOO well, I create a lot of scar tissue and am currently recovering from corrective surgery and facing a second follow up surgery in the next month or two. During down time I cannot exercise, which makes me retain water like crazy :? As of now it's not life threatening but it does throw other things off such as metabolizim. I can't lose weight to save my life and in the past year I've completely stopped trying.



I am healthy otherwise. Have beautiful blood pressure that would make a nurse cry and tons of energy. In the past year I've ran a half marathon, completed a Tough Mudder (12 mile obstical course run), ran 2 5ks, a 2k (with my son LOL), and am contemplating a Zombi Run in May. If I start training in the next week or so and schedule my surgery at the end of May I'll be able to do it. I run 3-5 miles 2 times a week, 7-12 miles once a week and hit the gym for strength training twice a week as well when I'm not recovering from surgery. I run and play with my children, eat clean and gluten free, and am rarely on my ass unless I'm at work. Even then I'm hopping up and down because I can't keep still.



I guess my point is, is that useually obesity is a reflection of lifestyle. But sometimes, it's not. Point blank, you can't tell by looking at someone which is the case. So why be derrogatory?

user banned 2 kids; Vientiane, Lao People's Democratic Republic 17415 posts
23rd Mar '13
Quoting Fatty McRunnerPants:" I always have a problem with this kind of attitude. Mostly because BMI is not a single indicator of ... [snip!] ... lifestyle. But sometimes, it's not. Point blank, you can't tell by looking at someone which is the case. So why be derrogatory?"


I'm sorry if you thought I was being derogatory, that was not my intent. I don't use the term 'fat' in general because I do see it as a derogatory term.
I am aware of your story, and I think you are amazing,
My point was twofold.
Why "fat" and happy? Why not just happy?
And I truly believe obesity is unhealthy.



I'm sure there are many reasons why people are obese and many circumstances as to why they remain obese.
Personally, where I live, there are very few obese men and women. For example in my sons school class I would say perhaps one parent would be classified as overweight. Why is this? I guess because I live in a climate where outside activity can occur, I live in an area with a great public transport system and most people walk everywhere. People are educated on nutrition and can afford healthy foods. I am very lucky. I understand without this becoming and remaining obese would be more common.
I lost a marked amount of weight after my pregnancy, around 30kg. I was healthy prior to this, I could have run 5km, my BP wasnt great as I had just had eclampsia. But, I am healthier now after losing the weight.
I know BMI isn't a finite indicator of health.
It's none of my business why or how people become obese. But I find it irritating that it has been suggested that being obese is healthy. Obesity is a health concern and costs my country an absolute fortune through the health concerns that come with it.

Fatty McRunnerPants 2 kids; 4 angel babies; Clearlake, California 59187 posts
23rd Mar '13
Quoting THE KATIE PRICE:" I'm sorry if you thought I was being derogatory, that was not my intent. I don't use the term 'fat' ... [snip!] ... is healthy. Obesity is a health concern and costs my country an absolute fortune through the health concerns that come with it."


Oh I don't think you were. I meant in general :D Many people assume that you're fat because you eat like crap and don't move around. You can't tell my looking at me WHY I'm fat. And thank you! I know my story isn't typical.



Yes, I think that activity level is a huge part of the obesity epidemic. Children are becoming more sedentary and childhood obesity in the states is a big issue. Mostly because of miseducation about food, availability of cheap healthy food, and the sedentary lifestyle we've subjected ourselves to more and more. I think also the paranoia of allowing children to play outside unsupervised is also an issue. And I do agree, obesity isn't an indicator of health. It's a definite health risk. But there are so many other health risks as well. Everyone has a predisposition to something or another. It just happens to be a very visual indicator of predisposition is all. If you're doing other things to offset the risk, I don't think it's that big a deal unless you're in the morbid catagory. If you're in the morbid catagory there are definite other things going on that are more indicators of lifestyle.

user banned 2 kids; Vientiane, Lao People's Democratic Republic 17415 posts
23rd Mar '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Fatty McRunnerPants:</b>" Oh I don't think you were. I meant in general :D Many people assume that you're fat because you eat ... [snip!] ... catagory. If you're in the morbid catagory there are definite other things going on that are more indicators of lifestyle."</blockquote>




Lol looks like we agree!
I think australia is just behind the USA re the obesity epidemic.
And where I live is a case of what are factors in causing most cases of obesity.
Virtually no one here is obese. But in another suburb it's the opposite. I'm simply lucky as are those around me that we live in a safe, well educated, financially stable community. Education is the key. I know without question what foods are healthy (although in currently confused about Virginia coconut oil lol). My sons school is pro healthy eating and lifestyle, they even have a huge kitchen garden and a kitchen where the students cook the produce! Lucky!!



Now I'm off to find out if I really should be eating 2 tablespoons of coconut oil a day and if there really is such a thing as good saturated fats!!

The Master 2 kids; Perth, Australia 19989 posts
23rd Mar '13
Quoting White Chocolate Milk:" No it doesn't. It's just that being healthy isn't defined by the number on the scale. It is very possible ... [snip!] ... perception. There are usually other issues most people are "dealing" with by acting out by sitting on ass, eating tub o lard. "


BMI is a load of crap ... my SO is morbidly obese and was told to be in his ideal weight range he had to be 75kg. When I met him he was about 4 inches shorter than he is now and was 73kg and skin and bones ... he actually looked sick. So we refuse to go off of BMI now.

White Chocolate Milk 1 child; Chelsea, Alabama 12303 posts
24th Mar '13
Quoting Destiel:" BMI is a load of crap ... my SO is morbidly obese and was told to be in his ideal weight range he had ... [snip!] ... 4 inches shorter than he is now and was 73kg and skin and bones ... he actually looked sick. So we refuse to go off of BMI now."


BMI is a load of shit. Some of the most physically fit people in the world, World Class body builder and olympians, are considered morbidly obese because it does not take into consideration a muscle or bone/organ mass factor. It's just weight/height proportion.
It can work for some, but not for everyone. I've been on a "diagnostic" scale that gives you the amount of fat weight, water weight, bone/organ weight etc. My bones and organs alone weigh a "healthy BMI" for my height. I would literally have to be skin and bones to be considered healthy on a BMI standard, which is why I think it is complete and utter bullshit.
I think the ideal weight should be based on how you feel rather than the physical number and proportion to your height.