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P Pickle Pants 98 kids; California 20522 posts
24th Mar '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Fatty McRunnerPants:</b>" At least for us, it's more expensive to grow with the cost of water, soil, etc. Have to have everything ... [snip!] ... if the deer don't get to it. It's worth it to me, though. The taste of ripe fresh from the vine tomatoes are like no other."</blockquote>




Agreed on cost (we have an out of control wild bunny population) and on it being worth it.



I had $20 of veggies eaten in a weekend. And we go through 2-3 bundles of asparagus or 3 bundles of mustard greens or $3-4 worth of green beans per sitting. We eat TONS of veggies. I wish it were feasible to grow all the veggies we eat in a 3x9 raised bed (which wasn't cheap to build). And that doesn't begin to cover the fruit or eggs and such (cannot keep "farm animals" per base code)

P Pickle Pants 98 kids; California 20522 posts
24th Mar '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Destiel:</b>" just about everything can be grown in pots."</blockquote>



Pots and soil cost money.



I have several pots and grow many things, but its nowhere near enough to meet our needs.

Fatty McRunnerPants 2 kids; 4 angel babies; Clearlake, California 59390 posts
24th Mar '13
Quoting Red Bottom:" I love how this has become an argument of how you don't want to or can't eat healthy. And it's in a thread called "fat and happy"."


Well I think that there are many barriers to being healthy. Someone raised in a lifestyle that didn't promote it, well, it can be hard especially if they don't see the overreaching benefits of such a lifestyle. Logically, if you're on medicaide you're not the one investing in your health to begin with. You rarely will see the bill or really care about it. It's conceptual money. Which is why if the government is going to pay for the healthcare costs of people on medicaide I feel that the investment in overall health programs instead of managing disease should be more of a focus. And if people don't want to "get with" the program, they don't need to be getting subsidized healthcare to begin with.

Red Bottom 2 kids; Middelfart, Denmark 15275 posts
24th Mar '13
Quoting Fatty McRunnerPants:" Well I think that there are many barriers to being healthy. Someone raised in a lifestyle that didn't ... [snip!] ... a focus. And if people don't want to "get with" the program, they don't need to be getting subsidized healthcare to begin with."



I was raised in a household that didn't even HAVE fruits or veggies and surrounded by morbidly obese family members.



I read books, and got into fitness, cooking, eating right, etc. No one taught me anything.

Fatty McRunnerPants 2 kids; 4 angel babies; Clearlake, California 59390 posts
25th Mar '13
Quoting Red Bottom:" I was raised in a household that didn't even HAVE fruits or veggies and surrounded by morbidly obese ... [snip!] ... by morbidly obese family members. I read books, and got into fitness, cooking, eating right, etc. No one taught me anything. "


Not everyone is as self motivating. If they can't see the overreaching benefits of a healthy lifestyle and see all these barriers thrown at them, why would they WANT to get healthy?

Red Bottom 2 kids; Middelfart, Denmark 15275 posts
25th Mar '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Fatty McRunnerPants:</b>" Not everyone is as self motivating. If they can't see the overreaching benefits of a healthy lifestyle and see all these barriers thrown at them, why would they WANT to get healthy?"</blockquote>




That's called laziness.

P3RvYmCp3rv 2 kids; Carlyle, Illinois 11904 posts
25th Mar '13
Quoting Red Bottom:" <blockquote><b>Quoting P3RvYmCp3rv:</b>" we don't have a community garden. The closest ... [snip!] ... to 1 1/2 hrs away. "</blockquote> I doubt you've researched it, in all honesty. And 45 minutes is not that far."

When you have no way to get there.....it is pretty far. Plus when you are very limited on money why pay 3.70 for a gallon of gas to get there (at least a gallon) and then to come back. I mean f**k I could go to walmart and buy me a pot for that much money.

P3RvYmCp3rv 2 kids; Carlyle, Illinois 11904 posts
25th Mar '13

But in my back yard we do have 3 areas of tilled up soil. With this crazy weather after Halloween I was still getting red tomatoes :)

Fatty McRunnerPants 2 kids; 4 angel babies; Clearlake, California 59390 posts
25th Mar '13
Quoting Red Bottom:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Fatty McRunnerPants:</b>" Not everyone is as self motivating. ... [snip!] ... and see all these barriers thrown at them, why would they WANT to get healthy?"</blockquote> That's called laziness."


I think it's more being ill informed. Which is why I think access to information should be easier. There is soooooo much misinformation about health guildelines out there, it's hard to weed things out. Even harder when you very literaly don't know where to begin. Break down the barriers and you're not just helping the person: you're helping the community as a whole.



To me it doesn't make sense why we're willing to pay hundereds of thousands of dollars for someone to have bipass surgery, or for diabetic medication or a million other things that are linked to unhealthy lifestyle but we're not willing to pay for someone to see a dietician when they WANT to get healthier and don't know where to start? Ounce of prevention...

Red Bottom 2 kids; Middelfart, Denmark 15275 posts
25th Mar '13
Quoting Fatty McRunnerPants:" I think it's more being ill informed. Which is why I think access to information should be easier. ... [snip!] ... to pay for someone to see a dietician when they WANT to get healthier and don't know where to start? Ounce of prevention..."


libraries = access.

P Pickle Pants 98 kids; California 20522 posts
25th Mar '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Red Bottom:</b>" libraries = access. "</blockquote>



There are a lot of books out there with BAD diet advice.



A LOT!

Red Bottom 2 kids; Middelfart, Denmark 15275 posts
25th Mar '13
Quoting P Pickle Pants:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Red Bottom:</b>" libraries = access. "</blockquote> There are a lot of books out there with BAD diet advice. A LOT!"


Then blame everyone and gain weight.

user banned 2 kids; Vientiane, Lao People's Democratic Republic 17415 posts
25th Mar '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Fatty McRunnerPants:</b>" I think it's more being ill informed. Which is why I think access to information should be easier. ... [snip!] ... to pay for someone to see a dietician when they WANT to get healthier and don't know where to start? Ounce of prevention..."</blockquote>




I agree with this.
I do believe people need to be honest with themselves too. 'Oh I'm curvy', 'oh I read somewhere it's healthier to be a bit overweight' 'oh I'm just getting older' 'I've had two kids'.... And so on. People need to stop kidding themselves when the landslide of medical evidence is that with obesity come health issues, severe chronic health issues.
Because we live in a society where so many people are overweight people have lost grasp of what a healthy weight is.

user banned Lesbos, Greece 95211 posts
25th Mar '13

Keep in mind that low income people also tend to be low educated as well. They're either a drop out or received their GED/HSD and left it at that. They may not have the desire or ability to read books. We have an appalling literacy rate in this country. Look at these boards! How many of the less educated members can form complete sentences or have critical thinking issues? Most, if not all, of them have extreme comprehension problems.



It's not always as easy as going to the library to pick up a book. Certain types of people need to be taught by someone else.



And as far as community gardens....the only one we have in my city is run by a church and you pay them to use it. I don't support churches. :wink:

user banned Lesbos, Greece 95211 posts
25th Mar '13
Quoting THE KATIE PRICE:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Fatty McRunnerPants:</b>" I think it's more being ill informed. ... [snip!] ... issues. Because we live in a society where so many people are overweight people have lost grasp of what a healthy weight is."


My body goal has always had 2 things: 1- To be at a healthy weight for my height 2- To be comfortable in my body.



I've hit that. I could probably still stand to lose 10-15lbs but it would be breast, ass, and thigh so I'd rather keep it. :lol: