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Nathan Young 2 kids; Syracuse, New York 57578 posts
28th Mar '13
Quoting Captain Obvious:" I'm willing to bet most church-goers like to eat shrimp :wink:"


Gotta love them cross tattoos...



Or their gold wedding bands...

......................... Oregon 14226 posts
28th Mar '13
Quoting ~Ice Princess~:" <blockquote><b>Quoting TheCoopersKnitWitch:</b>" And unfortunately we don't want to ... [snip!] ... Do you think divorce should be allowed? Should you marry you husband's brother if he does? What about marrying your rapist?"


See and I have a hard enough time with divorce. My first husband threatened to kill me and my child and then we left for our safety and he never wanted to return home.



I was forced into divorce, and it's something that I hate about myself every day as a Christian. It's not something I ever thought would happen to me.



but on another topic. I do agree with a lot of the things people are saying.



Sometimes it's just hard to type everything out as your thinking it you miss a lot.



I do think that as Christians we think we can force our beliefs on people, like the Jehovah's Witness who think I'm going to convert when they ring my doorbell every day. I am an anti pushing Christianity person. I believe you will believe or you won't, it's not my job to push you, but if you bring it up, I will talk about it.

Captain Obvious 2 kids; Havana, Cuba 25634 posts
28th Mar '13
Quoting The Doctor:" Gotta love them cross tattoos... Or their gold wedding bands..."


and polyester-lycra blends! :lol:

Nathan Young 2 kids; Syracuse, New York 57578 posts
28th Mar '13
Quoting TheCoopersKnitWitch:" See and I have a hard enough time with divorce. My first husband threatened to kill me and my child ... [snip!] ... person. I believe you will believe or you won't, it's not my job to push you, but if you bring it up, I will talk about it."


Thank you for speaking, and I hope you don't think we're being pushy on your beliefs.



I have all the respect in the world for someone that can explain their beliefs without assuming that everyone else must subscribe to them.

......................... Oregon 14226 posts
28th Mar '13

And if the OP was talking about how the Bible pertained to it from a legal standpoint, your right, it doesn't.



It two completely separate thing.

......... nowhere, NW, United States 25972 posts
28th Mar '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting TheCoopersKnitWitch:</b>" And unfortunately we don't want to get into the aspect of gays and that in the church. For a true believer ... [snip!] ... if they believe that it's ok between them and God, that's on them. At our church we also have a don't ask don't tell policy."</blockquote>




And Jesus spoke that not everyone should marry an/woman). He spoke of eunuchs. Men with feminine traits...
Matthew 19



10 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.



11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.



12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

......................... Oregon 14226 posts
28th Mar '13
Quoting The Doctor:" Thank you for speaking, and I hope you don't think we're being pushy on your beliefs. I have all the ... [snip!] ... the respect in the world for someone that can explain their beliefs without assuming that everyone else must subscribe to them."


I don't think you guys are being pushy or talking me down. It's a hard subject, and one I really don't bring up, because I don't want to push my beliefs on someone.



I have been getting annoyed though by the FB posts. So many of my "friends" who say they believe whole heartedly in God and the Bible, and they're posting they support this. And it just makes me think, if you really believed and were a true Christian, to the hard core beliefs, would you really support this?



But that's not here, that's there.



I do think we can't deny them forever. And if they're not pushing me into anything and they're not bothering me, really what does it matter? They're choices are completely on them!

......................... Oregon 14226 posts
28th Mar '13
Quoting ~Ice Princess~:" <blockquote><b>Quoting TheCoopersKnitWitch:</b>" And unfortunately we don't want to ... [snip!] ... which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it."


The problem with the Bible is that it can be interpreted many different ways by many different people.



I'm not getting what I think your thinking from that passage. Honestly. I just don't understand how it pertains to this at all. But that's me.




ETA: I see it's a passage on Divorce.

......... nowhere, NW, United States 25972 posts
28th Mar '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting TheCoopersKnitWitch:</b>" The problem with the Bible is that it can be interpreted many different ways by many different people. ... [snip!] ... what I think your thinking from that passage. Honestly. I just don't understand how it pertains to this at all. But that's me."</blockquote>




Exactly. It can.



It pertains because Jesus was speaking on the subject of marriage between a man and a woman. He clearly stated that not all men will receive the calling to marry a woman. A eunuch can be/is a man with feminine traits.
Jesus NEVER stated homosexuality was wrong.

......................... Oregon 14226 posts
28th Mar '13
Quoting ~Ice Princess~:" <blockquote><b>Quoting TheCoopersKnitWitch:</b>" And unfortunately we don't want to ... [snip!] ... which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it."


So I read the passage.



It says in Matthew 19 that a man should leave his his father and mother to be united with his wife, and the two will become one. Only in a situation of unfaithfulness and adultery can you divorce(and even though I almost had that I'm still not happy with my divorce). And this is this is the situation between husband and wife, they shouldn't marry. (which was not the case when we got married)



You are correct it goes on to say that some are born eunuchs, and some are made that way. And that some have renounced marriage, and that those that can should accept this.



I do accept that these are their choices. However, just saying what I'm reading, it does not say in this passage that Jesus classifies this as marriage.

......... nowhere, NW, United States 25972 posts
28th Mar '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting ~Ice Princess~:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting TheCoopersKnitWitch:</b>" The problem with the Bible is that ... [snip!] ... the calling to marry a woman. A eunuch can be/is a man with feminine traits. Jesus NEVER stated homosexuality was wrong."</blockquote>




*marriage and divorce.

......................... Oregon 14226 posts
28th Mar '13
Quoting ~Ice Princess~:" <blockquote><b>Quoting TheCoopersKnitWitch:</b>" The problem with the Bible is that ... [snip!] ... the calling to marry a woman. A eunuch can be/is a man with feminine traits. Jesus NEVER stated homosexuality was wrong."


I did just post though, that it does say that some have renounced marriage, it doesn't say they should marry though. It says marriage is between a man and a woman.



And that those that can accept this should, and like I had said, I don't ask, I don't tell, it's on them.



But according to my beliefs I classify marriage between a man and woman per my beliefs in the Bible and in Christianity.

......... nowhere, NW, United States 25972 posts
28th Mar '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting TheCoopersKnitWitch:</b>" So I read the passage. It says in Matthew 19 that a man should leave his his father and mother to ... [snip!] ... their choices. However, just saying what I'm reading, it does not say in this passage that Jesus classifies this as marriage. "</blockquote>




I didn't mean that he did, just that he acknowledged that not every man will want to marry a woman...
But he still doesn't speak against it..,

......................... Oregon 14226 posts
28th Mar '13
Quoting ~Ice Princess~:" <blockquote><b>Quoting TheCoopersKnitWitch:</b>" So I read the passage. It says ... [snip!] ... he did, just that he acknowledged that not every man will want to marry a woman... But he still doesn't speak against it..,"


Ok we're on the same page then.



Got it.



I really am just trying to not make anyone angry by my beliefs, we all believe in different things.

Nathan Young 2 kids; Syracuse, New York 57578 posts
28th Mar '13
Quoting TheCoopersKnitWitch:" Ok we're on the same page then. Got it. I really am just trying to not make anyone angry by my beliefs, we all believe in different things."


That's why, to me, the laws need to reflect that.



It infuriates me when people try to pull the "this country was founded on Christianity" thing, as their argument why gay marriage should be illegal/not granted the same benefits/etc.