Quoting Iron Man:" Dana's an asshole. :D Anything for the almighty dollar. Well, Cain Velasquez suggested adding a transgender ... [snip!] ... bone structure as a guy. Regardless of whether or not he sees himself as a girl, he still has the advantage of a guy's body."
Yes he is. He gets on my dang nerves.
Wait, they're scared? Of course they are scared, they dont want to fight men and they dont sign up to fight men.
Biologically he has a physical advantage. To me its like a woman taking steroids or something.
<blockquote><b>Quoting Iron Man:</b>" I find this whole thing pretty fascinating. Here's the article: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mma-c ... [snip!] ... thinking right now. What about you? Do you think that a transgendered male should be allowed to fight women in the arena? "</blockquote>
I'm with the UFC. Dana just earned major respect from me.
Fallon is legally female now and yes, taking estrogen and such will put her at an even keel with other female UFC fighters..,
Quoting ~Ice Princess~:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Iron Man:</b>" I find this whole thing pretty fascinating. Here's ... [snip!] ... Fallon is legally female now and yes, taking estrogen and such will put her at an even keel with other female UFC fighters..,"
But he lied to the athletic commission. And estrogen isnt going to automatically make you're bone and muscle structure different.
<blockquote><b>Quoting ⚓ Sarah ⚓:</b>" He is biologically a man, he should NOT be allowed to fight women. I'm sorry. And I agree with Matt on ... [snip!] ... was sick to want to fight women and it made the guy a freak for wanting that, hes not those things because hes transgendered. "</blockquote>
But she's not a guy anymore...
She's a she. She takes estrogen and probably androgen blockers which will not allow her to build muscle like before. So should she fight men?
I think this about money and ratings for Dana White at this point. I mean when Jon Bones Jones, his cash cow was charged with a DUI, Dana made an announcement that we all make mistakes.
When someone makes a joke on twitter or statements like this they're suspended? Seriously?
<blockquote><b>Quoting Iron Man:</b>" That was my understanding as well...I didn't see him actually attack Fox for being transgendered, just ... [snip!] ... woman fighting men? It's a good question, but I think the same thing applies. You fight in your own gender class, guy or girl."</blockquote>
Which is what fox is doing. Her gender is female...and now her sex is too.
Quoting ~Ice Princess~:" <blockquote><b>Quoting ⚓ Sarah ⚓:</b>" He is biologically a man, he should ... [snip!] ... takes estrogen and probably androgen blockers which will not allow her to build muscle like before. So should she fight men?"
Lying is ok?
<blockquote><b>Quoting Iron Man:</b>" He did not. He began his career fighting in the girl's arena...I think he's had two fights? I do know ... [snip!] ... did not disclose his transgender status before going into the arena to fight his first female opponent. No one had any idea."</blockquote>
It's really no ones business though.
She is legally female now.
<blockquote><b>Quoting Lady GooGoo™:</b>" This is wrong. WTF is Dana thinking? Oh right, all he wants is an interesting fight. That's what he's ... [snip!] ... to how wrong this is. If he wanted to fight in the UFC he should have kept his dick and fought men. Just one of those things."</blockquote>
She's not a he...
<blockquote><b>Quoting ⚓ Sarah ⚓:</b>" But he lied to the athletic commission. And estrogen isnt going to automatically make you're bone and muscle structure different."</blockquote>
Bones? No. But there are men who have a girls structure (I'm gonna look up more pics of her). Estrogen does in most cases though. Testosterone most certainly has an effect though. Without male levels, muscles will shrink.
<blockquote><b>Quoting ⚓ Sarah ⚓:</b>" Lying is ok?"</blockquote>
How's it lying? Did it specifically ask if she had a penis before?
If it said gender and she checked female, it's not lying.
<blockquote><b>Quoting ~Ice Princess~:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting ⚓ Sarah ⚓:</b>" But he lied to the athletic commission. ... [snip!] ... Estrogen does in most cases though. Testosterone most certainly has an effect though. Without male levels, muscles will shrink."</blockquote>
It appears no testosterone blockers are needed as without tested, she's only getting it from the adrenal glands. This means she could have less testosterone than her born female counterparts as they produce some from not only the adrenals, but the ovaries too. Here's an interview with Dr. Marci Bowers:
SD: Does Fallon carry a significant advantage in mixed martial arts competition, due to being biologically born a male?
MB: Most measures of physical strength minimize, muscle mass decreases, bone density decreases, and they become fairly comparable to women in their musculature. After as much time as has passed in her case, if tested, she would probably end up in the same muscle mass category as her biologically born female counterpart.
The IOC (International Olympic Committee) now allows transgender athletes to compete in their games once they've had the required hormone therapy and surgery. People think it should be based on chromosomes, but the problem with that is when they went back in 1988 and tested female athletes, they found that nine of them had tested positive for Y chromosomes, so there are a lot of intersex conditions that basically dictate that the only way you can do it (gender verification testing), is by genital and hormonal status.
SD: Does she have to take estrogen for the rest of her life?
MB: We believe that patients should remain on some sort of hormone replacement therapy for the rest of their life, so the answer to that is yes. In order for her to maintain normal bone density and things like that, she needs to stay on estrogen.
SD: Does the body stop producing testosterone naturally, after undergoing SRS and the hormone regimen that accompanies it? If she went off her hormone therapy, would she produce any testosterone?
MB: If she went off her hormones, she's not going to get any of that testosterone back, other than the very small amount that's produced by the adrenal glands. The only way she could get a significant level of testosterone now, outside the normal female limits, is if she was getting it exogenously from an injectible or oral source.
SD: Men have tougher, thicker skin than women. Does the skin change with the hormone therapy?
MB: It absolutely softens and thickness is decreased.
SD: After so many years of hormone therapy, how difficult is it for her to maintain muscle mass?
MB: She's a woman now. You've got to give her that. She's physically fit, and probably works out a lot to stay that way. It's not as easy to put on or maintain muscle now.
SD: Would her pre or post fight drug testing show any differences from a biologically born female's tests?
MB: It would show results just like an ordinary female. If it doesn't, and she's posting detectable levels of testosterone outside the normal limits of a female, then she's getting it from somewhere else.
SD: Is there a way to test drive this without undergoing the surgery?
MB: Actually, it's part of the standard of care. The World Professional Association for Transgender Health sets standards for people, that they run a course of hormone therapy for a period of one year (sometimes more), because it is a tremendous change that presents a lot of stressors. We recommend that people live within their desired gender role for at least a year, while on hormones.
SD: So, in addition to the date of Fallon's SRS, she would have completed at least a year of hormonal therapy prior to said surgery that would have added to the decrease in physical advantages?
MB: Yes, absolutely.
After speaking with Dr. Bowers, I was able to connect with Dr. Sherman Leis. Dr. Leis is a world renowned surgeon, professor, lecturer and founder of the Philadelphia Center for Transgender Surgery. I asked him the same round of questions I asked Dr. Bowers, to which he agreed with all of her answers. Here's what he had to say about Fallon possibly having an unfair advantage in competition:
If an individual is on female hormones, and she's been on them for several years, the hormones decrease the muscle mass, bone density, strength, libido and aggression. Those things are attributed to testosterone, and if she no longer produces testosterone, then she would have the level that an average female would have.
She's been doing that (hormone therapy) for so many years, that she probably does not have a significant advantage, if any at all. Especially because she wasn't a big man when she lived as a male. She's 5'7 and slight of build, and basically the size of an average female. Factor in that she's been on hormones for so long, and has had the surgery, she more than likely has the muscle mass, bone density and strength of most females.