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Meli ❤ 1 child; Don't worry about it, CA, United States 31044 posts
9th Apr '13
Quoting Amelia Margaret:" I'm confused. Isn't that an oxymoron?"


Nvm...what I am trying to say isn't coming out right....

NopeNotGonnaDOIt 6 kids; Cuba 3000 posts
10th Apr '13
Quoting Wiggity Wack:" Animals probably look at us and think, "Holy shit, there are so many of them! Stop breeding!""


lol maybe because of overpopulation we've evolved to separate pleasure from procreation!

NopeNotGonnaDOIt 6 kids; Cuba 3000 posts
10th Apr '13
Quoting Amelia Margaret:" Isn't that what intelligent design is though?"


I think thats what the mainstream idea of it is... some sort of intelligence creating or having a hand in making things happen. I'm just not sure why that intelligence has to be separate from ourselves or from the organism in question. I mean every living thing has SOME kind of intelligence, however small. We know everything is connected in some way so why look to something outside of ourselves for the answers? And by "ourselves" I mean all life.

NopeNotGonnaDOIt 6 kids; Cuba 3000 posts
10th Apr '13
Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Amelia Margaret:</b>" Then I assume you are aware of the big ... [snip!] ... Good luck explaining the universe. It'll never happen. Humans don't know JACK SQUAT. So arrogant."


This I can agree with, we don't know everything! BUT just because we don't, does not mean that the unexplainable is automatically divine intervention. IMO, we are all divine and capable of much more than we know.

The Doctor 2 kids; Whiskey Dick Mountain, WA, United States 59965 posts
10th Apr '13
Quoting Mama❍:" This I can agree with, we don't know everything! BUT just because we don't, does not mean that the unexplainable ... [snip!] ... that the unexplainable is automatically divine intervention. IMO, we are all divine and capable of much more than we know. "


:!:



Though, if you downright don't believe in evolution, yes, there would have to be someone to create us.



But evolution does not mean that we built ourselves. It means we started simply, and changed and changed... etc. Developed intelligence and the ability to manipulate and change other things around us, as well.



I agree, in the long run, we don't know shit, because we are always learning something new. But to assume that because we don't know everything it must mean that the Christian idea of God is obviously true... that's where I draw the line.



Yes, we must create something from what we already have. Everything is created from other things, energy cannot be created or destroyed, it simply moves or changes.



It's absurd, IMO, to say that because we don't understand everything (which we never, ever will) that Religion has the true answer.



(Sorry, I'm replying to multiple people with this :D)

user banned 1 child; Nunya, CA, United States 6369 posts
10th Apr '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting The Doctor:</b>" :!: Though, if you downright don't believe in evolution, yes, there would have to be someone to create ... [snip!] ... (which we never, ever will) that Religion has the true answer. (Sorry, I'm replying to multiple people with this :D)"</blockquote>




I love how you kill eight birds with one stone. It tightens up the thread when you respond to multiple people. I like it. :)



I believe there was a divine creator from the things that I see, all around me, every day.



Random design ...well...I cannot wrap my head around it. Okay, so we evolved out of "needs". We "adapted" until we became what we are today....?



I still ask, "why"?



What would the need be, to even evolve?



I mean, the point of the whole process is what, exactly?

NopeNotGonnaDOIt 6 kids; Cuba 3000 posts
10th Apr '13
Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:" <blockquote><b>Quoting The Doctor:</b>" :!: Though, if you downright don't believe ... [snip!] ... I still ask, "why"? What would the need be, to even evolve? I mean, the point of the whole process is what, exactly?"


The point of evolving is survival of the species and to accommodate environmental changes. I think what you are really asking is what is the point of Life itself?
I look around every day and see the divine in all living things, but do not feel that it is something outside of ourselves or the universe that controls us. We are the creators. We live for experience. JMO :)

user banned 1 child; Nunya, CA, United States 6369 posts
10th Apr '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Mama❍:</b>" The point of evolving is survival of the species and to accommodate environmental changes. I think what ... [snip!] ... that it is something outside of ourselves or the universe that controls us. We are the creators. We live for experience. JMO :)"</blockquote>




Well, okay, but we've "evolved" from one species to many, many species. That doesn't make sense. It is lost on me. :D

The Doctor 2 kids; Whiskey Dick Mountain, WA, United States 59965 posts
10th Apr '13
Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:" <blockquote><b>Quoting The Doctor:</b>" :!: Though, if you downright don't believe ... [snip!] ... I still ask, "why"? What would the need be, to even evolve? I mean, the point of the whole process is what, exactly?"


Haha! I hate when I have to type a sentence and start a whole new reply two seconds later. Good times.



The "why" is the part that Religion tries to answer, and evolution does not... aside from survival of the fittest, surviving to survive. Because we're here and it's instinct to keep going.



The "why", when you don't have a specific religion, is a personal question. Despite the fact that I don't believe in the traditional idea of a God putting us here for his own plan or purpose... I still believe we have one. And, hell, even asking these questions I think is part of it.



I think Religion makes it necessary to answer the question of "why", while evolution does not. Does Religion answer the question of "why", in your eyes? Is "God put us here" the reason and purpose for us? Or do you believe there is a different answer?

user banned 1 child; Nunya, CA, United States 6369 posts
10th Apr '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting The Doctor:</b>" Haha! I hate when I have to type a sentence a start a whole new reply two seconds later. Good times. ... [snip!] ... of "why", in your eyes? Is "God put us here" the reason and purpose for us? Or do you believe there is a different answer?"</blockquote>




Religion answers it, only to an extent, for me.



I mean, that is on my bucket list to ask, if ever given the opportunity.

The Doctor 2 kids; Whiskey Dick Mountain, WA, United States 59965 posts
10th Apr '13
Quoting Mama❍:" The point of evolving is survival of the species and to accommodate environmental changes. I think what ... [snip!] ... that it is something outside of ourselves or the universe that controls us. We are the creators. We live for experience. JMO :)"


I like your answer.

The Doctor 2 kids; Whiskey Dick Mountain, WA, United States 59965 posts
10th Apr '13
Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:" <blockquote><b>Quoting The Doctor:</b>" Haha! I hate when I have to type a sentence ... [snip!] ... Religion answers it, only to an extent, for me. I mean, that is on my bucket list to ask, if ever given the opportunity."


Yes, and I think evolution is the same in the sense that it doesn't come built in with these weird answers that, as humans, we want to think about and know, any more than Religion does.



I just don't think there has to be one "Why" for being here, for living.

NopeNotGonnaDOIt 6 kids; Cuba 3000 posts
10th Apr '13
Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Mama❍:</b>" The point of evolving is survival of the ... [snip!] ... Well, okay, but we've "evolved" from one species to many, many species. That doesn't make sense. It is lost on me. :D"


well we've just been getting smarter and smarter, the only reason we've changed species is because of the way science classifies certain things. We are still us and will always be us. The changes are only physical and we haven't like turned from an ape into a dolphin or anything.

Amelia [a Mom] 1 child; 4 angel babies; Tallahassee, Florida 16215 posts
10th Apr '13
Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Amelia Margaret:</b>" Then I assume you are aware of the big ... [snip!] ... Good luck explaining the universe. It'll never happen. Humans don't know JACK SQUAT. So arrogant."


Questioning the world around us is at the very heart of science. A scientist would never presume to know everything. It's human nature to seek explanations for things, which is part of why religions were created in the first place.

Amelia [a Mom] 1 child; 4 angel babies; Tallahassee, Florida 16215 posts
10th Apr '13
Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:" <blockquote><b>Quoting The Doctor:</b>" :!: Though, if you downright don't believe ... [snip!] ... I still ask, "why"? What would the need be, to even evolve? I mean, the point of the whole process is what, exactly?"


There didn't need to be. That's the beauty of evolution. It's spontaneous and random, yet when it comes to perpetuating the species it's not random at all.