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user banned Lesbos, Greece 95211 posts
12th Apr '13
Quoting Dovahkiin:" No, with late term abortions they inject potassium chloride into the fetus's heart. Snipping is barbaric, it requires the woman to literally give birth first. "


This.
If the fetus feels anything, it's a pinprick. And it's debatable that they feel pain at the cut off time for legal abortion anyway. Stimuli, absolutely, but i've read plenty of medical evidence stating that the fetal brain cannot process pain until around the 3rd trimester.

Kimmy Gibbler 2 kids; Grapevine, Texas 8039 posts
12th Apr '13
Quoting Moses.:" Personal feelings aside, it's just a matter of location, and timing being a TINY bit later. I mean, it's ... [snip!] ... late term abortions since it's illegal. Though even then, personal feelings aside, it's simple timing, end result is the same."

What are you getting at?

Dovahkiin 1 child; 1 angel baby; Kentucky 16776 posts
12th Apr '13
Quoting Moses.:" Still, the end result is the same. If I were to kill my living child, would there be a difference in HOW it's done? "


Um, well yeah. Would you rather someone shove a pair of scissors in your neck orrrr just give you a shot?

Moses. Due October 27; 3 kids; Texas 16003 posts
12th Apr '13
Quoting Asher and Haddie's Mommy:" What are you getting at? "


What do you mean, what am I getting at? The end result was the same. The fetus ceased to live any longer. The location was just out of the womb and moments later.

Dovahkiin 1 child; 1 angel baby; Kentucky 16776 posts
12th Apr '13
Quoting Moses.:" What do you mean, what am I getting at? The end result was the same. The fetus ceased to live any longer. The location was just out of the womb and moments later."


o_O



Once a fetus is born... it's a baby. A human being.

user banned 3 kids; Los Angeles, California 54034 posts
12th Apr '13
Quoting Saffy the Dragon Slayer:" The image is f**king ridiculous. I don't know many liberals who would be a-ok with someone killing a ... [snip!] ... had been born. That isn't abortion; that's murder. :roll: People should get their facts before making such asinine images."


Pretty much.



AN OVERWHELMINGLY HUGE percent of abortions are done before the first trimester has ended. But, you know, f**k the facts, right? Let's just outlaw abortion altogether because of one unscrupulous doctor.

Moses. Due October 27; 3 kids; Texas 16003 posts
12th Apr '13
Quoting Dovahkiin:" Um, well yeah. Would you rather someone shove a pair of scissors in your neck orrrr just give you a shot? "


You don't ever read a story about a horrible crime and say "Oh well at least it was done in a humane way." Personal feelings is what causes this to be outrageous. That's all. I get it, no doubt about that. I find it absolutely appalling and as the OP said, sickening. But the end result would have been the same even if it was moments before when still in the womb.

Kimmy Gibbler 2 kids; Grapevine, Texas 8039 posts
12th Apr '13
Quoting Moses.:" What do you mean, what am I getting at? The end result was the same. The fetus ceased to live any longer. The location was just out of the womb and moments later."

I guess my question is... are you saying it's not that big of a deal, then? I'm just genuinely a little confused by your statement and the point you're trying to make, is all... lol. Just trying to understand. :D

Moses. Due October 27; 3 kids; Texas 16003 posts
12th Apr '13
Quoting Asher and Haddie's Mommy:" I guess my question is... are you saying it's not that big of a deal, then? I'm just genuinely a little confused by your statement, is all... lol. Just trying to understand. :D"


LOL As I said, it was without my personal feelings involved. I do not think it's not a big deal, because it obviously is. This is the type of stories that pro-lifers feed off of. Devil's advocate is all.

Dovahkiin 1 child; 1 angel baby; Kentucky 16776 posts
12th Apr '13
Quoting Moses.:" You don't ever read a story about a horrible crime and say "Oh well at least it was done in a humane ... [snip!] ... as the OP said, sickening. But the end result would have been the same even if it was moments before when still in the womb. "


Okay I get you are playing devil's advocate but you're not making your case here. Abortion is a safe medical procedure that terminates a pregnancy. What this man did was deliver nearly full term (or completely viable) babies, let the nurses "play" with them for a few minutes, and then shove a pair of scissors in their neck. There is a HUGE difference.

Moses. Due October 27; 3 kids; Texas 16003 posts
12th Apr '13
Quoting Dovahkiin:" Okay I get you are playing devil's advocate but you're not making your case here. Abortion is a safe ... [snip!] ... the nurses "play" with them for a few minutes, and then shove a pair of scissors in their neck. There is a HUGE difference. "


There may be to a lot of people, but this case isn't the norm, and it will undoubtedly be used as a portrayal for all abortions by pro-lifers.

user banned Lesbos, Greece 95211 posts
12th Apr '13
Quoting Dr. Paradigm Shift:" Pretty much. AN OVERWHELMINGLY HUGE percent of abortions are done before the first trimester has ended. ... [snip!] ... has ended. But, you know, f**k the facts, right? Let's just outlaw abortion altogether because of one unscrupulous doctor. "


Coat hangers for all!



YAY SEPSIS.

Dovahkiin 1 child; 1 angel baby; Kentucky 16776 posts
12th Apr '13
Quoting Moses.:" There may be to a lot of people, but this case isn't the norm, and it will undoubtedly be used as a portrayal for all abortions by pro-lifers."


Well I'm sure, pro-lifers use pictures of dead gorilla fetuses. :lol:



They are a special breed...

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 22820 posts
12th Apr '13
Quoting Moses.:" Personal feelings aside, it's just a matter of location, and timing being a TINY bit later. I mean, it's ... [snip!] ... late term abortions since it's illegal. Though even then, personal feelings aside, it's simple timing, end result is the same."


Um, no. These were healthy, viable babies that were born alive and killed. The man is a monster. the women that went there were also awful but their babies were victims of murder. This isn't about personal feelings.

Moses. Due October 27; 3 kids; Texas 16003 posts
12th Apr '13
Quoting Dovahkiin:" Well I'm sure, pro-lifers use pictures of dead gorilla fetuses. :lol: They are a special breed... "


LOL Well, yeah, but this is a REAL case, that is happening, kwim?