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Cast Your Vote:

    • Ding Dong the witch is dead! -- Votes: 9
    • Who cares! -- Votes: 4
    • Not sad she's gone but the parties etc are horrible. -- Votes: 4
    • She should have a full state funeral and more tributes. -- Votes: 10
TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23119 posts
14th Apr '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting weefee:</b>" I think overall the feeling is that Thatcher has gone but not Thatcherism. Blair and Brown followed ... [snip!] ... that worked and for many people that is teh problem. Thatcherism is why people are still going on about it 23 years later."</blockquote>




Norwegian oil funds would have worked for Britain???




It doesn't seem like "left" policies have been working well. Perhaps going "right" is beneficial.

weefee 1 child; Glasgow, Î, United Kingdom 438 posts
14th Apr '13
Quoting Destiel:" Blair to me was meh ... he was far to influenced by outside (mainly US) sources."


I can't stand the man, I have the feeling there may be some repeats when he goes. I'll never get over Iraq, millions marched and they don't give a sh*t. He really was the natural successor of Maggie. Thank god that in Scotland we still have the SNP who remain slightly to the left, I see very little difference in the main parties these days. The lib dems totally betrayed the voters with their coallition.

The Master 2 kids; Perth, Australia 19989 posts
14th Apr '13
Quoting weefee:" I can't stand the man, I have the feeling there may be some repeats when he goes. I'll never get over ... [snip!] ... I see very little difference in the main parties these days. The lib dems totally betrayed the voters with their coallition."


we're the same ... this election we're fucked either way

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23119 posts
14th Apr '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting weefee:</b>" Well her and Reagan were bosom chums lol although she admittedly hasn't quite taken us to the point ... [snip!] ... like the American welfare system or having the same trade laws. This governments aiming for that though, hence the protest! :) "</blockquote>




Lol. And Obama is tying to turn us into a European-style system. So screwy!

weefee 1 child; Glasgow, Î, United Kingdom 438 posts
14th Apr '13
Quoting TheNuge:" <blockquote><b>Quoting weefee:</b>" I think overall the feeling is that Thatcher has ... [snip!] ... have worked for Britain??? It doesn't seem like "left" policies have been working well. Perhaps going "right" is beneficial."


I meant that they should have set up a fund for the proceeds of the oil rather than pissing it away. Norway set up an oil fund and they seem to be benefitting a lot from theirs. Since Thatcher there has been no left so, I think maybe a return to the left might be better. The ruling party in Scotland is to the left, we seem to be doing alright.

The Master 2 kids; Perth, Australia 19989 posts
14th Apr '13
Quoting TheNuge:" <blockquote><b>Quoting weefee:</b>" Well her and Reagan were bosom chums lol although ... [snip!] ... hence the protest! :) "</blockquote> Lol. And Obama is tying to turn us into a European-style system. So screwy!"


Some European systems work ... then again so does the Japanese system etc ... you need to find a system that works for your population not just try and steal someone elses idea. Here we have a 50/50 health system ... part public, part private. It works for us but wouldn't work for say Denmark or Sweden.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23119 posts
14th Apr '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting weefee:</b>" I meant that they should have set up a fund for the proceeds of the oil rather than pissing it away. ... [snip!] ... I think maybe a return to the left might be better. The ruling party in Scotland is to the left, we seem to be doing alright."</blockquote>




I'm far from an expert on the matter, but I believe the oil situations differ greatly between Britain and Norway.

Sofie+#2 Due March 18; TTC since Jun 2014; 1 child; Sheffield, So, United Kingdom 7402 posts
14th Apr '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting Sofia's Mummy♥:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting ... [snip!] ... say similar things about obamas policies NOW. He is committed to killing the coal industry and anything that isn't "green.""</blockquote>




But he's trying to put money into greener solutions. She wasn't trying to better the industry, she was trying to cut costs.



And the UK has gone right. Our main left parties have gone centre-right.

Bambi78 1 child; United Kingdom 1710 posts
14th Apr '13

I work in the nhs whicg couldnt afford to cover my post for mat leave, leaving me a crapload of stuff in my return. Im clinical not admin by the way so patient care was cut. I dont think britain can afford thus funeral if thats the case. I dont care who died.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23119 posts
14th Apr '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting weefee:</b>" I meant that they should have set up a fund for the proceeds of the oil rather than pissing it away. ... [snip!] ... I think maybe a return to the left might be better. The ruling party in Scotland is to the left, we seem to be doing alright."</blockquote>




Are fossil fuels in the UK government owned?



Btw, my goal for my country and myself is to do better than alright.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23119 posts
14th Apr '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Sofia's Mummy♥:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting Sofia's Mummy♥:</b>" ... [snip!] ... to better the industry, she was trying to cut costs. And the UK has gone right. Our main left parties have gone centre-right."</blockquote>




He's increasing costs dramatically. And, the greener solutions have been terrible, expensive failures.
He has been costing tax payers billions and suggesting that the poorest among us just pay more. The only people going green are rich as it is terribly inefficient.

mamaluvsher4babies 36 kids; California 4230 posts
14th Apr '13
Quoting weefee:" Her policies were much more radical and did a lot more damage than anything Obama's done - which is ... [snip!] ... I agree celebrating is in bad taste but I think the protests against the cuts and the price of her funeral are appropriate."


that wasn't my point lol. I am just saying to celebrate someones death is just wrong. Now I do agree that tax payers shouldn't have to pay for a huge funeral or actually a funeral at all. Hell California forked out millions for Michael Jackson that was some BS! And I liked him lol.

weefee 1 child; Glasgow, Î, United Kingdom 438 posts
14th Apr '13
Quoting TheNuge:" <blockquote><b>Quoting weefee:</b>" I meant that they should have set up a fund for ... [snip!] ... Are fossil fuels in the UK government owned? Btw, my goal for my country and myself is to do better than alright."


No Thtacher sold them off, and teh profits vanished to America and other places. She wasted billions which could have benefitted the people, a lot went south or to her cronies and America. Thats why I said there should have been an oil fund to properly manage and use the profits like Norway has, not that we were similar to Norway, though we were producing a lot of oil.



I think most Scots are happy that the country is going in the right direction compared with what's happening down south. The government in Westminsters policy are certainly fuelling resentment towards their policies. a helping hand for the yes to independance in 2014 campaign. Our NHS and eduation system are slightly protected against their policies.



I don't think we're doing alright I think we are doing much better than the rest of the UK. At least this government is protecting some of our social democratic values. I guess it depends whether you value things such as the NHS, free personal care for teh elderly or free education (university level). Will we ever be the worlds first economy no, but can we assure a decent standard of living for our citizens - yes and I think that is more important.

weefee 1 child; Glasgow, Î, United Kingdom 438 posts
14th Apr '13
Quoting mamaluvsher4babies:" that wasn't my point lol. I am just saying to celebrate someones death is just wrong. Now I do agree ... [snip!] ... or actually a funeral at all. Hell California forked out millions for Michael Jackson that was some BS! And I liked him lol."


I agree but I meant that these protest now go beyond teh death of Thatcher though it was her death that started them.. It's much more about the cost of the funeral during a time that public services are being cut and preventing her legacy from being whitewashed and used as a propaganda tool for by this government. I think the vast majority agree with that whilst not necessarily the celebration of her death.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23119 posts
15th Apr '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting weefee:</b>" No Thtacher sold them off, and teh profits vanished to America and other places. She wasted billions ... [snip!] ... first economy no, but can we assure a decent standard of living for our citizens - yes and I think that is more important."</blockquote>




Well, I won't pretend to be an expert on your history of your government and petroleum nor the differences between what is going on in Scotland compared with further south.
I WILL say that the private sector does things much better than the public sector, so I think BP is better at exploration and production of fossil fuels than any government. I'm sure they pay lots of fees, employ MANY and pay lots of taxes.



Regarding public policies, I prefer the ones that provide the most opportunity for the most people. Ill take that system over mediocrity for the masses with only the political class having the money and the privileges.